Filtering at Pedestrian Crossings?

[zico]

Guys and girls, what's the deal with this? I filtered past a van today at a crossing when the light was red. I went slowly up the outside of him and stopped. As I moved away he did as well and tried to stay level with me to intimidate me into backing off. I didn't. I suspect that he saw the 125 and an L plate and thought he was dealing with a kid that wouldn't bite back rather than a middle aged man that does. He was a skinhead guy with tattoos but didn't argue much when I stepped off the bike and went to his window. His argument was that he can't go past cars like that in his van.

What are the legalities of filtering in these situations? Sorry for the noob question, I've looked but advice is contradictory.

[Andy_Pagin]

For zig-zag marked junctions the legality is that you cannot overtake the lead vehicle if it is moving, or if the crossing is in use.
As for dealing with 'blockers', don't get off and start a row, filter away, leave them fuming and get on with your life.
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[hellkat]

[zico]

[zico]

[zico]

I actually have it on video from my camera, if it's not to incriminating I'll throw it up although as above I was obviously in the wrong.

[ScaredyCat]

[Rogerborg]

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2002/3113/regulation/28/made

No "passing ahead of" any moving motor vehicle.

No "passing ahead of" the nearest stationary vehicle to the crossing (including a pushbike, "motor" not being specified) if the lights are red / a zebra crossing is in use.

There's a hair to be split over exactly what "pass ahead of" means, and whether there's a magic moment when you can blow past a stationary vehicle before it starts moving the instant that the light changes to green or Doris gets off the crossing.
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[Andy_Pagin]

From a practical point of view, having witnessed the suicidal inability many pedestrians have to master a crossing I'd say stay put and let the other vehicle risk getting fined and/or killing someone.
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They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa, hey-hey,
the men in white coats are coming to take me away.
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[zico]

On the upside, I've learnt something else today and nobody died, that's what it's all about.

[pompousporcup...]

what if the crossing is a red light, with ziggy zagz, but you filter and stop at the leading drivers door (so not actually in front) but then as the lights change (and noone is crossing) you finish the over take? is that illegal?

[zico]

[Rogerborg]

[someotherguy]

[zico]

[someotherguy]

I was joking... probably not a good idea to pick fights with vans

Feel free not to be intimidated when you're surrounded by a protective cage of metal. Otherwise, backing off seems the most sensible thing to do.

HTH

[Matt B]

[zico]

[Pete.]

[zico]

Lock me up and throw away the key...

[Ste]

[zico]

[Undinist]

[Pete.]

[recman]