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As a long term Rossi supporter I have to say I'm really disappointed in what I saw today. The best season in years ruined through sheer stupidity and his (Rossi) belief that everyone else should just move over and let him and Lorenzo fight it out. I've been fairly critical of some of Marquez's on the edge antics in the past and have perhaps given Rossi the benefit of the doubt on occasions but not today.
No matter what Marquez was doing (and all I saw him do was racing hard), Rossi's current predicament is 100% of his own making. Not very often I agree with Lorenzo but if it had been any rider other than Rossi the punishment would certainly have been much more severe.
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It started with some of the most incredible racing we've seen in MotoGP. The red mist descended and blood boiled. It was incredible to watch. And then disbelief. Yes it was likely to end in tears, but not a deliberate punt off the track.
At the time I was in shock, we all sat round the TV with jaws on the floor.
It looked 100% Rossi's fault and that was my opinion.
But having seen the slow mo vids I've changed my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKiMMANG5fU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OQHxY2ibe8
Yes Rossi ran him out wide, but it happens in racing all the time. Everyone enjoys a "tough battle".
Marc had options to cutback but chose not to.
The main issue for me was the leg, I was sure Rossi kicked him off. But the replays don't show that.
They show Marc hitting Vale's leg (VR's leg moves inwards on his own bike as he has been hit by Marc). Then VR instinctively shoved his knee out.
VR is facing forward at the time he shoved his knee out. If it was deliberate, he would not have known how close Marc was, the only reason he knew was the impact.
I've gone from thinking Rossi is 100% to blame, to now thinking he's been robbed of a championship.
Of course as others have said, if he'd not run Marc off the track it would not have happened.
The unwritten rule that riders don't get involved in championship battles they are not in, I'm open either way on this point. I don't know if Marc was deliberately slowing in places in this or Philip Island, although Race Direction have confirmed that he was. |
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Posted: 20:46 - 25 Oct 2015 Post subject: rossi |
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you must have seen a different race to me then Rossi deliberately moves his knee out to hit Marquez on the overtake as for unwritten rules what nonsense Marquez is free to race however he wants as is vale if Rossi hasn't got the pace to beat Marquez and catch Lorenzo that's his problem
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Ive had a good look at this in slow-mo, from all the angles, here's what I think happened.
After getting frustrated with Marc, Rossi pushed him wide (not good, but it happens a lot), after a few hard stares from Rossi, Marc just gives Rossi an extra nudge just before he loses the front, you can see this clearly in the footage. At this point I think Marc's front brake protector hooked under Rossi's ankle and, as he picks up from the nudge, Rossi's foot is pulled from the peg and touches his front brake lever, as Marc's bike slows and folds Rossi's leg is now free and he puts it back on the peg.
Yes, Rossi did deliberately push Marc wide, but I don't think he meant for him to crash, there was enough room for them both at the speed they were going at the point of the crash.
The actual cause of the crash was because Marc hooked up Rossi's leg trying to give him a shove in return for running him wide. If he hadn't done that, they both would have stayed on.
I think they both should have had a severe chewing out, but ultimately, a racing incident between two highly strung racers. ____________________ M.O.B. Successfully taking the piss since 2014. |
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Even the Yamaha team in the garage instantly knew what an idiotic thing Rossi did. Not sure how anyone can blame MM for that. He was racing hard, broke no rules. Rossi slowed right down mid corner and just didn't turn in and turned his head multiple times MID CORNER! I mean it wasn't even subtle. Totally his own fault and should have been DQ'd.
People defending Rossi saying MM was riding too aggressively. |
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Apparently over 50,000 people have already signed a petition on change.org for the penalty to be removed.
I'm not a believer in these online petition things (although I signed) but it shows the strength if feeling about this.
On first watching, I thought VR did knee MM off, but footage from other angles proves otherwise.
Either way, as others have said, they way MM was riding and goading VR, there was no way they were both going to go the distance. One or the other, or both would have been offed.
Very, very much sadness here though as the championship is irreversibly tarnished. Also, no sense of anticipation for Valencia now.
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Tracey Suntan-King wrote: | Apparently over 50,000 people have already signed a petition on change.org for the penalty to be removed.
I'm not a believer in these online petition things (although I signed) but it shows the strength if feeling about this.
On first watching, I thought VR did knee MM off, but footage from other angles proves otherwise.
Either way, as others have said, they way MM was riding and goading VR, there was no way they were both going to go the distance. One or the other, or both would have been offed.
Very, very much sadness here though as the championship is irreversibly tarnished. Also, no sense of anticipation for Valencia now.
I'm just glad I didn't book that surprise trip to Valencia for Sid after all. |
Unfortunately the irony of that petition asking for the championship to continue in fairness is that VR kept his points; MM didn't get any.
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It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings.
It could be one of those wet/dry races that Jorge doesn't do well in.
Last round and history is littered with racers wanting to end the season on a high...Ducatis...Satellites etc.
Would be amazing to see Rossi catch up to Marquez again. He could spend 3 days working on race pace now qualifying is redundant.[shrugs]
I don't know what was really going on in their heads. Both riders losing the fronts so obviously pushing hard. Both have history of bin it or win it attitude although Rossi less so, until today that is. Marc Marquez in Moto2 was borderline disgraceful.
They're as ruthless as each other and the sport is better for it.
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MM was p!ssing Rossi off. Rossi pulled a dick move to push him out wide. MM leant on him and fell off.
Rossi could've simply tolerated MM holding him up but then again, what kind of ultra-competitive, top level racer puts up with being deliberately held up? ____________________ FZR400 (blown engine), ZXR750 (blown engine), ZX6R (accident), CBR600 which had engine issues after which I learned to change gear..., CBR900, CBR924 (stolen), CB600, CB1300 (everything blew up), BMW K1300GT (written off, hit from rear while stationary), Bandit 1250 for a couple of months, Triumph Sprint ST 1050 (nicked) and somewhere in there, I wrote off a Ducati 748 at Cadwell. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 8 years, 235 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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