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pinkyfloyd
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 30 Dec 2015    Post subject: I have the judders Reply with quote

OK Clever mechanical people of BCF I need a diagnosis.

I have a 2013 XJ6N, fuel injected. Between 1 and 4K revs the engine stutters, judders, is a little jerky to ride and occasionally (quite often) backfires. Only happens when it has warmed up and goes away after 4K revs but that means to ride the thing I am riding around at 30mph in second gear as 3rd causes the judders because the revs have dropped.

It has been into a mechanic who changed the spark plugs, this seemed to fix the issue for a while but now it is back with its friends and worse.

What could be causing this? A brief search suggests a blocked jet, would Redex do any harm or indeed any good?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 30 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Water in fuel?

Have a look for water droplets in the bottom of the tank and in the fuel filter with a torch.

Also have a look up around the area of the coils and HT leads in a dark shed for evidence of arcing.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 30 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did the mechanic say anything about the plugs when they changed them, sooty or anything ?
may point towards it running rich, does it feel like it is on choke even when warm ? on cars that points towards a CTS issue, which makes them run rich all the time.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 30 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

bugeye_bob wrote:
Did the mechanic say anything about the plugs when they changed them, sooty or anything ?
may point towards it running rich, does it feel like it is on choke even when warm ? on cars that points towards a CTS issue, which makes them run rich all the time.


Mechanic said it was a duff plug. It idles very low, which is normal, 1K but now and then the revs bounce. I'm as mechanically minded as a lemon but I am inclined to say if anything, it is running lean, more air getting in than needed, which is why it is popping, or backfiring.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 30 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many miles have you done now? Have the throttle bodies been synced ever?
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PostPosted: 15:50 - 30 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
How many miles have you done now? Have the throttle bodies been synced ever?


Something like 25K, It has not long had a service. It is going back to the mechanic when they return from their xmas break if I cannot sort it out.
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 30 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

could be an air leak on the intake side too, warm it up spray something like WD40 around the intakes, if the RPMs change you found your problem
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 30 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend had a similar problem on their injected bike.The initial thought was that it was the throttle position sensor but in the end,although the TPS adjustment did make a slight difference,it was the fuel filter that needed replacing Clapping
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 30 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fizzer Thou wrote:
A friend had a similar problem on their injected bike.The initial thought was that it was the throttle position sensor but in the end,although the TPS adjustment did make a slight difference,it was the fuel filter that needed replacing Clapping


That sounds ominous, for some reason, known only to Yami, their fuel filter is part of the tank assembly in with the fuel pump and the whole lot would need replaced. That will be costly.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 30 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It shouldn't be costly.
Drain tank.
Remove tank.
Unscrew the retaining bolts and take care not to damage the large O ring.
Extract what you need to get to the filter and replace it.
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