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PostPosted: 19:46 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Snapped thread tool. Reply with quote

So for a while now I have been trying to drill out a rounded exhaust bolt from the gv125. Managed to drill out and tap it however the helicoil came out. So I tried putting a little deeper thread and the tool snapped clean off.

Now what's the best way to remove this now?
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

cant you grip the broken part with anything to unscrew it, give the broken tool few gentle taps and see if it loosens it, even a small dab of super glue may be enough to unscrew the broken part of the tool.
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A tap extractor.

Ive had success smashing a tap out with a punch but Would I risk that in a head?

Probably not.
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PostPosted: 06:24 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Re: Snapped thread tool. Reply with quote

R1stu wrote:
So for a while now I have been trying to drill out a rounded exhaust bolt from the gv125. Managed to drill out and tap it however the helicoil came out. So I tried putting a little deeper thread and the tool snapped clean off.

Now what's the best way to remove this now?


What tool is broken off - the tap?

If so we need a pic really but the previous suggestions of using a tap extractor or breaking it up with a punch are usual remedies. A lot depends on why it snapped because usually it leaves them in tight. Spark erosion is one guaranteed way to remove it, should be plenty of spark eroders in So'ton if you can find someone who has one.

Sometimes you can loosen a broken tap end by constant tapping to loosen it in the thread it just cut but it can still be a bitch to actually wind out otherwise you could drill the broken bit out with a modified centre drill or even a ring of tiny holes around the outside. Then you could have the whole boss welded up and drill/re-tap a new hole completely. If you do manage to get it out and are left with a butchered hole get it down to RH Davey welding and ask Jim to weld it for you.

You're quite welcome to whip the head off and post it to me I will fix it for you no problem.
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll grab a pic later, was looking at them flute extractors but can only see them from the states. Was thinking maybe 4 nails down the side and rotate out with them?
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would, if I knew enough about being able to put the engine back together working again Sad wouldn't know how to set timing and all that shizzel
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some pics

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PostPosted: 21:06 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd personally try and use a set of circlip pliers (the fixed type ones with the round posts, not the interchangeable head type) and get one pin down either side and twist it out.... Also, lots of wd40
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 22 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be sending Pete some pounds to cover his time along with your head. That looks like it needs sparking out.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can dissolve a steel tap out of aluminium by using a very concentrated solution of alum. It may take a few days but it works. It'll need a thorough degreasing first of course. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmh600 wrote:
I'd personally try and use a set of circlip pliers (the fixed type ones with the round posts, not the interchangeable head type) and get one pin down either side and twist it out.... Also, lots of wd40


Leaving a hardened steel point down the flute of the tap when it inevitably snaps.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe use a dremel and grind a slot into the top of the tap then a flat ended screwdriver to unscrew it? If you also grind into the area surrounding the bolt hole you could build it back up afterwards with an aluminium brazing rod.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Maybe use a dremel and grind a slot into the top of the tap then a flat ended screwdriver to unscrew it?


You are aware of what a tap is made from aren't you? And the reason to why the tap has snapped in the hole?
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fisty wrote:
Ribenapigeon wrote:
Maybe use a dremel and grind a slot into the top of the tap then a flat ended screwdriver to unscrew it?


You are aware of what a tap is made from aren't you? And the reason to why the tap has snapped in the hole?


I've managed to use a dremel type little grinding disc to cut into the shaft of a tap to make an indent for a lock screw to hold one into bar I was jury-rigging as a tap wrench. Just have to be gentle and not overheat the disc.
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:


I've managed to use a dremel type little grinding disc to cut into the shaft of a tap to make an indent for a lock screw to hold one into bar I was jury-rigging as a tap wrench. Just have to be gentle and not overheat the disc.


Congratulations. Have a Carrot.

But that didn't answer my question.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

So make your point fisty.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
So make your point fisty.


The tap is made of a very hard but very brittle steel. It is also wedged in there hence it snapping.
Grinding a slot into it and trying to use a screwdriver to undo it will just result in the first 3mm of the tap breaking up.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Listen to Pete and Mr Fisting. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: broke Reply with quote

you have access to a mig welder and the skill to use one??
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Re: broke Reply with quote

bikenut wrote:
you have access to a mig welder and the skill to use one??


Aaaaaaaaaaand I'm out.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Re: broke Reply with quote

bikenut wrote:
you have access to a mig welder and the skill to use one??

How exactly is that going to work?
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 23 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose you could grind into the stud hole then rather than screww a new stud in weld or braize one in.
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