Resend my activation email : Register : Log in 
BCF: Bike Chat Forums


Keeping a steady throttle opening on bumpy roads

Reply to topic
Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat Goto page 1, 2  Next
View previous topic : View next topic  
Author Message

B5234FT
Brolly Dolly



Joined: 28 Sep 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:11 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Keeping a steady throttle opening on bumpy roads Reply with quote

Hi, this may sound daft but bear with me!

I ride a Triumph Street Triple which has fairly heavy engine braking even at cruising speeds and I find it difficult to maintain a steady throttle on bumpy sections of country roads which occasionally results in engine braking and then too much throttle and then engine braking until either I ease off, or the road flattens out.

It's really uncomfortable and doesnt do the confidence any good, how do people manage it?

Cheers
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

rubyhorse2
Traffic Copper



Joined: 03 Mar 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:18 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

sounds like you might be holding the throttle too tightly, you literally can just rest your hand on it you know.

Or just blast along it and have fun Smile
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Monkeypony
World Chat Champion



Joined: 21 Sep 2011
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:34 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your arms should be loose and flappy, not locked and tight, this will help your body smooth out the bumps and eliminate the jerky throttle.
____________________
Current bike - 2018 H2-SX, 2004 SV1000s, 2016 Aprilia RSV4 RF, 2017 Sherco SERF 300, 2003 Suzuki DRZ400 (stolen - AY53 JUU)
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

B5234FT
Brolly Dolly



Joined: 28 Sep 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:41 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I possibly am gripping too tight, but my arms are loose and I can waggle my elbows as someone else suggested this.

I've adjusted the slack out of the throttle

I guess I just need to try and relax
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Bozzy
Traffic Copper



Joined: 20 Dec 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 08:59 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:


I've adjusted the slack out of the throttle



Could this be making the issue worse?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Undinist
Nearly there...



Joined: 08 Oct 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:01 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could change to a higher gear to reduce the engine braking.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

B5234FT
Brolly Dolly



Joined: 28 Sep 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 09:03 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to have improved it, I did it last night and rode to work this morning. The issue still exists when cruising at say 6krpm in 6th

It happens in top gear
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 11:38 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:

I've adjusted the slack out of the throttle


This could cause a tantrum from the FI system too.

All the reasonably recent triumphs I've seen have a throttle cable tensioner cam that activates when you turn the ignition on to set the correct "closed" throttle tension. My understanding is it uses this position as a basis for the idle setting (which it sets each time based on thottle position, atmospheric pressure, and as far as I know, the phase of the moon).

I spoke to the guy who helped design it, he was very proud of it and couldn't see why I thought it was just something else to go wrong once the bike got a little older and the cables start going sticky.
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

B5234FT
Brolly Dolly



Joined: 28 Sep 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 12:20 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
B5234FT wrote:

I've adjusted the slack out of the throttle


This could cause a tantrum from the FI system too.

All the reasonably recent triumphs I've seen have a throttle cable tensioner cam that activates when you turn the ignition on to set the correct "closed" throttle tension. My understanding is it uses this position as a basis for the idle setting (which it sets each time based on thottle position, atmospheric pressure, and as far as I know, the phase of the moon).

I spoke to the guy who helped design it, he was very proud of it and couldn't see why I thought it was just something else to go wrong once the bike got a little older and the cables start going sticky.


interesting, begs two thoughts. First I adjusted it with it running, so hopefully it should be ok. Second, why would there have been any slack in the first place...
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Chuffin Nora
World Chat Champion



Joined: 02 Sep 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 12:44 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

1st & 2nd fingers on the brake lever.

And when you hit smooth road keep them there for that oft needed ½ second's difference between a crumple zone and getting home in one piece. Thumbs Up

Same for clutch lever, why not.
____________________
There's a fine line between integrity
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

stinkwheel
Bovine Proctologist



Joined: 12 Jul 2004
Karma :

PostPosted: 12:55 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:

interesting, begs two thoughts. First I adjusted it with it running, so hopefully it should be ok. Second, why would there have been any slack in the first place...


Presumably because it is normal to have some slight slack in a throttle cable when it is fully closed.

It also didn't do a whole lot as I recall. It deformed the cable sideways slightly. I suspect wouldn't be able to take a large amount of slack out of the cable.
____________________
“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

B5234FT
Brolly Dolly



Joined: 28 Sep 2009
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:08 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting feature, cheers for the info!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Rogerborg
nimbA



Joined: 26 Oct 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:12 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fit a Cramp Bustertm.

https://kawasakier6.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/crampbuster-kawasaki-er6.jpg

Rest your hand gently on the now-misnamed "grip", use the heel of your hand to maintain throttle.

Alternatively, it may significantly exaggerate the problem, so be sure to video the results for our amusement. Whistle
____________________
Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Notj7
Brolly Dolly



Joined: 24 Aug 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 13:13 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grip the tank properly with your knees and engage your core. You should be able to take your hands off the handlebars, even when braking, and still be upright (easier said than done, though).

If you do that, and you go over bumps, your hands will barely be touching the grips; so you won't be transferring the momentum onto your hands and then onto the throttle as a result.
____________________
Left the forum.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

The Shaggy D.A.
Super Spammer



Joined: 12 Sep 2008
Karma :

PostPosted: 14:19 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can get a nice, steady maintenance of throttle position with one of these.
____________________
Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
Currently : Royal Enfield 350 Meteor
Previously : CB100N > CB250RS > XJ900F > GT550 > GPZ750R/1000RX > AJS M16 > R100RT > Bullet 500 > CB500 > LS650P > Bullet Electra X & YBR125 > Bullet 350 "Superstar" & YBR125 Custom > Royal Enfield Classic 500 Despatch Limited Edition (28 of 200) & CB Two-Fifty Nighthawk > ER5
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

WD Forte
World Chat Champion



Joined: 17 Jun 2010
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:23 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cramp buster?
pah! thas fer jessies
just jam some clothes line between the grip and switch housing
like a real man
____________________
bikers smell of wee
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Pete.
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Aug 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:41 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:
Second, why would there have been any slack in the first place...


Slack or free-play in a cable is a requirement, because the walls of the outer casing have thickness. When you bend the cable by turning the bars the outer casing becomes longer. The slack is to prevent the engine revving on full lock and to prevent the push-pull arrangement from binding.
____________________
a.k.a 'Geri'

132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good Very Happy
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

orac
World Chat Champion



Joined: 25 Sep 2011
Karma :

PostPosted: 16:45 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:
It seems to have improved it, I did it last night and rode to work this morning. The issue still exists when cruising at say 6krpm in 6th

It happens in top gear


this might seem like an odd question, but what road is bumpy enough to cause these issues at around 60mph.

put the slack back into the cable, its there for a reason, its been put there by bike designers and engineers since the earliest incarnation of motorcycle. The slack is there to ensure the butterflies return to the correct position for idle air fuel mix.

The FI wont be OK, it sets the idle each an every time the bike is started, not just the time when you adjusted the cable.
Unless you undoubtable know more than the people who designed the thing the chances are they will know that the system needs a little slack.

honestly, when I get a little over excited on mine the front will spend a reasonable amount of time in the air, so a few bumps on a normal ride on a normal bit of road should not be causing any issues. Just relax, let the bike do what it does.
____________________
Current rides - 2016 Triumph Street Triple Rx, 1994 Suzuki Bandit 400 VM, TGB 204 Classic 125cc
"with nothing left to lose, there is everything to gain. It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog"
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

MCN
Super Spammer



Joined: 22 Jul 2015
Karma :

PostPosted: 17:59 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor Man's Cruise control is the wee pinky finger around the bar end to retard the throttle a bit.
If you have ghey twirling bar ends then you are ghey and like being bumped on the back roads.
____________________
Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

Pigeon
World Chat Champion



Joined: 27 Sep 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:17 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Striple generated a touch too much slack after 10k miles and needed a small adjustment.

6k rpm in 6th gear is about 70mph no?


My bike does a weird surge when rolling off the throttle from WOT, when it gets to about 5.5k rpm, always has done.
But other than that, fuelling seems spot on.

2013 bike.

Also, "heavy engine braking". Seems the opposite to me. But I vaguely remember reading the '13 onwards bikes had some thing which adds a little fuel to stop the revs dropping......mmm, maybe that explains the annoying surge.

What year is yours?

EDIT:
MCN wrote:

If you have ghey twirling bar ends then you are ghey and like being bumped on the back roads.


Sold. I have now bought one.
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

chickenstrip
Super Spammer



Joined: 06 Dec 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 18:27 - 13 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pigeon wrote:


Also, "heavy engine braking". Seems the opposite to me.


Probably because your other ride is a V twin? I've noticed more engine braking on the Striple, being used to an IL4. Caught me out a couple of times in 1st and 2nd, where it's noticeable, on my first couple of rides.
____________________
Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
THERE'S MILLIONS OF CHICKENSTRIPS OUT THERE!
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

c-m
World Chat Champion



Joined: 12 May 2006
Karma :

PostPosted: 10:09 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be suspension. My bike is currently like a hard tail and it's near impossible to keep a steady throttle over bumps. Suffice to say I've got another one on the way
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website You must be logged in to rate posts

Val
World Chat Champion



Joined: 03 Nov 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 19:28 - 14 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Keeping a steady throttle opening on bumpy roads Reply with quote

B5234FT wrote:
I ride a Triumph Street Triple which has fairly heavy engine braking even at cruising speeds and I find it difficult to maintain a steady throttle on bumpy sections of country roads which occasionally results in engine braking and then too much throttle and then engine braking until either I ease off, or the road flattens out.

It's really uncomfortable and doesnt do the confidence any good, how do people manage it?

Cheers


I am not familiar with Triumph, but why you just do not go 1 or 2 gears up? I doubt it will have the same engine braking in 6th gear. Means you will be riding in lower revs. You can also do 18 front sprocket.
____________________
Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
Yamaha Fazer FZS 600, MT09, XSR 900
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail You must be logged in to rate posts

barrkel
World Chat Champion



Joined: 30 Jul 2012
Karma :

PostPosted: 00:36 - 15 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always be braking or accelerating Smile

Though seriously, unless I'm on a motorway (usually a smooth surface) or going past a speed camera, I'm very rarely holding the same speed. I'm always reacting to the view ahead, potential hazards, planning overtakes, etc.

The two finger trick (using the brake lever as a reference point) works well enough for me when I'm inclined to hold a low gear at constant, higher revs, which isn't too often. When I'm being very polite (e.g. touring and going through a village), I simply shift to higher gears and lower revs, where the throttle is less responsive.

I doubt gripping the bars too tight is the problem; a looser grip isn't enough to fix it. I grip lightly enough that I can e.g. brake fairly hard when holding on by just my right and not affect my line, but when I'm going over a very bumpy surface, I'll reduce the load on the bike's suspension by tensioning my legs, letting the bike bounce around beneath me. That naturally increases the amount of movement at the human-bike interface which can lead to varying throttle inputs.

I think gripping too tight is more a problem for bikers who dislike windy weather.
____________________
Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
Best road ever ridden: www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2MhNxUEYtQ
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts

Undinist
Nearly there...



Joined: 08 Oct 2013
Karma :

PostPosted: 01:23 - 15 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This may be one of those things where you just to have to get someone else to test ride the bike. Do you trust your dealer?
 Back to top
View user's profile Send private message You must be logged in to rate posts
Old Thread Alert!

The last post was made 9 years, 271 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful?
  Display posts from previous:   
This page may contain affiliate links, which means we may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. By clicking on an affiliate link, you accept that third-party cookies will be set.

Post new topic   Reply to topic    Bike Chat Forums Index -> General Bike Chat All times are GMT
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You cannot download files in this forum

Read the Terms of Use! - Powered by phpBB © phpBB Group
 

Debug Mode: ON - Server: birks (www) - Page Generation Time: 0.09 Sec - Server Load: 2.66 - MySQL Queries: 16 - Page Size: 135.9 Kb