What do Corbyn and Cameron have to gain from EU Remain?

[Lord Percy]

I find this interesting because both leaders are politically and ideologically very different.

They both clearly aim to achieve different things in the long run

Personally I think Corbyn is an ultra-liberal who would see the whole world be open-bordered. Plus he can unite with a larger pool of socialists from across Europe. Whereas Cameron is thinking in terms of 'the economy' purely from a balance sheet perspective, which is a boon for organisations who can pluck better skills and cheaper labour from the continent, but this vastly neglects the immediate interests of our own people who would rather do that work.

So Corbyn is being the classic naive liberal, whereas Cameron is being a cold-hearted money-man looking for better GDP figures even if the everyday Brit won't benefit.

Any other thoughts?

[Rob Fzs]

Cameron is simply after the eu pension and possible position of power in the eu once he leaves the position of pm,anyone with a brain can see the euro zone is failing, trade is dropping and the eu is not working for us, But big business have such a vested interest in spending billions to get rules made in their persuasion to keep smaller competitors on the back foot, they have no short to medium term advantage of leaving, which call me dave is their saviour

Corbyn wants to leave but he has his hands tied with all the other labourites who think they can use the eu to get round the democratically elected conservative party that are doing such things as trade union reform
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[Lord Percy]

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Working fine for us.
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[Rogerborg]

Cameron is thinking long term. He'll evolve to his Elder Statesman form, and follow Blair on to the multi-million-dollah lecture circuit. Lizard People, die Juden, all that shadowy conspiracy jazz.

Corbyn is thinking that he'll get to cling to his crown (Runner Up version) for a few more precious months. Really, I think that's all he's got going on in his head. He's actually anti-EU because they're not nearly socialist enough for him, but if he comes out for Brexit then the knives will go into his back from his union corporate masters and his brief tenure will be over. The fact that he'll never be in a position to influence anything regardless of what he does over Brexit seem not to be a factor in his reasoning.
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[Ribenapigeon]

Exiting Europe will be a lot of work and a major headfuck and Cameron is just a lazy shite. Simple explanation.

Corbyn is anti europe from a simple point of view of political independence but he knows that the EU gives ordinary workers protections which the tories will soon take away (including Cameron) if we exit. Also exit is a major headache for everyone in real organisational terms so why bother.

[Lord Percy]

[Rogerborg]

[Rob Fzs]

[DrSnoosnoo]

[Lord Percy]

The few pro EU folk on my facebook are all the happy clappy liberal types who have a comfortable/insular enough life to not really think about the wider or national long term impacts due to EU membership. I think this is the mindset the pseudo-left have adopted regarding it. I say 'pseudo' left because they clearly don't have a clue about the logical aspects otherwise they'd be voting out too.

Guardian: The leftwing case for Brexit

Of course the latter half goes on to fully endorse the Remain campaign. Only the first half of the article is of merit so here it is:

[Fowlersrs]

Any politician will want to be part of the EU as they can head there once there days of ruling us are over..

Oh and did u know something like 1 in 5 people who work for the EU are better paid than me Cameron.

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[Rogerborg]

You can tell it's a leftie viewpoint because it blames Europeans for the actions of Turkey and the fugee swarm. Can you feel that First World progressive guilt? Doesn't it taste just shameful to not give and give and give away the fruits of your labour until everyone is equally poor?

Meandering back on topic, this is why it's so bizarre that either party is pro-EU.

Camœron should be against it because stifling regulation prevents wealth creation.

Corbyn should be against it because free movement will destroy the welfare state.
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[The Wobbly Orange]

I think Cameron wants to remain mainly because the numbers add up to a better economy in the medium term. His mandate is based on economic management.

For Corbyn, he is simply following the trend. If he pushed his own far left views he would be that much closer to being ousted. Not that it really matters, he will disappear back to the back benches as quickly as he arrived.
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[Lord Percy]

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[Lord Percy]

[Rogerborg]

And please do remember that fiat currencies are imaginary and now virtually disconnected from reality. You can't eat your bank balance.

What matters is production versus consumption. If you tax production to the point where people simply stop working[*] then you turn makers into takers, and the wheels come off the welfare wagon.

[*] I don't do overtime because the take-home after tax and NI is less than my basic hourly take-home. The more you work, the less extra you make.
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[Lord Percy]

[Monkeywrenche...]

Production is not only manufacturing...or we'd just use that word
People who offer services are producers too.
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