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PostPosted: 11:34 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Car- Clutch change Reply with quote

How difficult is it to change the clutch in a FWD shopping cart? My Fiesta needs it doing and I was considering having a go myself. Is it something doable in a few hours on my drive?
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gather you need alignment tools to set the clutch up.
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't seem too complicated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhPhfnqXhjM Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Car- Clutch change Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Is it something doable in a few hours on my drive?


No it isn't. I would expect a day by a skilled mechanic, you...
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Car- Clutch change Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
...Fiesta... Is it something doable in a few hours on my drive?


depends what year. Newer cars have all sorts of crap in the way that needs removing/breaking off first

if by a few, you mean 7 or 8 then yes its probably doable but be prepared to be without a car when the inevitable "i dont have the right tool for this" issues come along. Also gearboxes are farking heavy. need moar strength or a burly bloke

i've done a few. now i pay someone else to do it
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PostPosted: 12:39 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I gather you need alignment tools to set the clutch up.


Anything cylindrical and of the rough size will do the trick; once the main shaft goes through it'll centre up. Worst case an alignment tool isn't muc and some clutch kits even come with one.

How hard it'll be on a Fiesta will depend on how much of the suspension that's got to come away to drop the box out, but it won't be mechanically difficult as such, just time.

With that said since a clutch change is probably all of £200 anyway, I'd pay the money and save the grief.
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PostPosted: 13:36 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did my Mk4 Escort inside a day as a first-timer. The worst of it was getting the suspension and driveshafts out of the way, plus the wiring and gearbox linkages. After that it was a few bolts holding the gearbox to the engine and you need enough clearance to be able to pull the 'box away from the engine so the shaft comes out of the clutch/flywheel. You also need something to hold the 'box whilst doing all this manoeuvring (eg trolly jack).

The clutch itself will then take 10 minutes tops - a centring tool is easy enough to get hold of or improvise.

Refitting is generally the reverse of removal, although getting the box lined up to mate with the engine can be a faff, so can getting the driveshafts to pop back in. You may lose some oil from the 'box, so be ready with top-up.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leave yourself a whole weekend, it wont take that, but better to start sat morning and have sunday spare, than start sunday and need it done for work on Monday.

Alignment is easy, sockets and insulating tape are normally good enough.

The biggest pain is lifting the box back up into place and getting the first bolt back in. You really need a spare pair of hands for this.

Otherwise its all easy, unbolt all the stuff in the way, box off, swap the clutch, box back on and bolt all the rest back in. Worth doing the slave cylinder/release bearing whilst there.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
I did my Mk4 Escort inside a day as a first-timer


I presume yours didn't have butchered captive nuts for the rear of the gearbox crossmember then Laughing


I only change the clutch on my race cars as there are no seized bolts anymore and they are nice and clean.

as mentioned start on a Saturday (or Friday evening) and have an alternative plan in place for work on Monday, less stress less problems Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gearbox is effectively bolted to the side of the engine on a FWD car, and you need to remove the drive shaft in order to pull the gearbox off. A car mechanic who used to be on the forum told me the only thing that was harder to do on a car than a bike is to replace the clutch. Which is significantly harder.
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have done a couple but all on Peugeot's...
Its a lot of stripping back and fiddling around but as long as your are patient and methodical then do-able.
If the transmission does not slide in then it is not aligned and ramming it in there just won't do. Its either not straight or the clutch is not properly aligned.
Make sure you grease the release bearing if it needs it (some do, some don't, should indicate in paper work that comes with the kit).
Remove the right hand drive shaft, it can be done without however there is a good chance of damaging other parts and makes re-aligning the transmission much harder.

Your going to need to support the engine whilst the Transmission is out... Engine hoist/jack etc? Figure this bit out before starting...

What jobs have you done on a car in the past?
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
A car mechanic who used to be on the forum told me the only thing that was harder to do on a car than a bike is to replace the clutch. Which is significantly harder.


RWD car clutches are a couple of hours if you've got a ramp.
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
MarJay wrote:
A car mechanic who used to be on the forum told me the only thing that was harder to do on a car than a bike is to replace the clutch. Which is significantly harder.


RWD car clutches are a couple of hours if you've got a ramp.


Bike clutch is still quicker and easier!
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

as an addition if you go ahead..

avoid the temptation of wiggling it out while its over your head.
its surprising how heavy they are when not being held up by the gubbins

many years ago took a mate to A&E after he dropped the box on his chest( heavy sierra MT box), thankfully he just cracked a rib and bruised the crap out of them.. but it didn't half give us a fright
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gearbox benchpress. I've done it a few times. Not a job I enjoy.
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Done the clutch on an mk6 Escort a few years ago on a drive, the job itself was fairly simple with a trolley jack, axle stands a hefty piece of wood and patience..... I found dropping the engine at 1 side and pushing the gearbox back into place aligned the clutch up nicely though (tighten the pressure plate enough to stop the clutch plate slipping around, but not too tight to stop it moving when the gearbox is pushed in).

The only part I had trouble with was getting the gearbox side engine mount back in place, which required the engine to be lifted, pushed back, jiggled and tilted all at the same time.... which was a pain without an engine hoist.

If I was to try doing another clutch I would either have an engine hoist or winch and sturdy roof beam
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Re: Car- Clutch change Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
How difficult is it to change the clutch in a FWD shopping cart? My Fiesta needs it doing and I was considering having a go myself. Is it something doable in a few hours on my drive?

Didn't you remove the rad cap on a very hot bike a few years ago?


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PostPosted: 18:03 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
arry wrote:


RWD car clutches are a couple of hours if you've got a ramp.


Bike clutch is still quicker and easier!


Mine bloody well ain't.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Done a couple over the years on various cars. And don't want to do it again.

Gearbox is a heavy lump, and a pain to manoevre into place while holding it up. Gearbox off a friends Fiesta was a pain as we just didn't have the clearance to get things lined up (there was a trick we were missing - just don't know what!)

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PostPosted: 22:16 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
there was a trick we were missing - just don't know what!

I found with small 90s fiats one possible trick was to leave the gearbox mounted to the chassis & drop the engine. You could then swing the engine away from the 'box and get enough access to change the clutch.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 hours work (roughly)
Supply the bits and I'll do it for you for a sensible price mate.
Make sure you buy a 3-piece kit though as the Fiesta runs a CSC.
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget the slave cylinder. Pain to bleed on some cars, may need to reverse bleed. Ratchet straps to hold/hoist the box if working alone (not recommended from safety POV).
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 31 May 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did one on a metro once with a mate who'd worked on them before. That had more room as the gearbox was under the engine like a mini.

If it's a simple small std hatch I'd these days get it priced up by a decent local garage first for the sake of the hassle you'd have on the drive at home.

I might need to change the clutch on my old Rover though, as it's a bit fierce and not very drivable in traffic, so not sure yet? It's only a single plate but it's super heavy and probably overkill for the use it will get. Thing is it's a very packed engine bay and there's little room around the lump without stripping the whole front end and lots of pipework.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 01 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

binge wrote:
2 hours work (roughly)
Supply the bits and I'll do it for you for a sensible price mate.
Make sure you buy a 3-piece kit though as the Fiesta runs a CSC.


Wicked cheers, I'll let you know, it might not be for a month or so yet but I'll give you a shout.
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PostPosted: 10:33 - 01 Jun 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
I did one on a metro once with a mate who'd worked on them before. That had more room as the gearbox was under the engine like a mini.


Yeah, Mini* and Metro clutch change is a piece of piss compared to almost every vehicle on the road.


*Bit fiddly on the Mini because of the proximity of the subframe to the lower bolts, but once you've done a few it gets easier. Plus, on later cars they often seemed to leave those bolts out at the factory to make the job easier!
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