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![Post Post](templates/standard/images/icon_minipost.gif) Posted: 00:03 - 06 Jul 2016 Post subject: Small CC bikes - And Track days |
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Okay, so today I was thinking...
We ride/race the pit bikes (Myself and a couple of friends).
My bike in particular, and my pal Jim's, are both 190cc motors, making 25bhp plus.
Okay, so they're a little vertically challenged at the side of full size bikes, even the 125cc sports range.
However, they would knock the spots off of a CBR125, new RS125, or just about any other 4t 125 sports bike on the market.
What would one be like, as somewhere like Brands Hatch.
On the Indy circuit....
The Brands Indy, is a little over 1.2 miles.
A Typical international Karting circuit is about 0.75 - 1mile long.
I guess, the corners will be more long and sweeping, rather than constant hair pins and chicanes.
I've never ridden on a big bike track before.
Has anybody here done a track day on something smaller?
Even something like a Supermoto (250cc or similar)
If Brands would allow it, i'd love to give an evening session a crack with the Novice groups.
But would not want to A, Have a dog shit evening by being super slow and practically upright all the way around.
And B, Possibly be in the way of all the other bikes?
My pit bike will pull an EASY 70mph, will probably see 80mph plus if I geared it taller.
I can corner it fast too.
So... Without too much laughing....
Whaddya Recon? ____________________ - Honda XL125S - CBR400 NC29 - VFR400 NC30 - CBR400 NC29 - TL1000R - TeeZeR Pit! - Bandit 12 - YZF450 - LuckyMX125 Pit! - Demon X XLR 140 Pit!
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![Post Post](templates/standard/images/icon_minipost.gif) Posted: 00:10 - 06 Jul 2016 Post subject: |
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If you're in the novice group everyone else will be wobbling around upright so I bet you'll be running rings around them. Only one way to find out ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) |
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![Post Post](templates/standard/images/icon_minipost.gif) Posted: 00:23 - 06 Jul 2016 Post subject: |
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I've asked the question to Brands, to see what, is actually stopping me from taking a Mid-size bike around Brands hatch.
Shall see what sort of response I get.
P.S - Pete, I still need to pay you a visit at some point. ![Thumbs Up](images/smiles/thumb_up.gif) ____________________ - Honda XL125S - CBR400 NC29 - VFR400 NC30 - CBR400 NC29 - TL1000R - TeeZeR Pit! - Bandit 12 - YZF450 - LuckyMX125 Pit! - Demon X XLR 140 Pit!
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You'd totally die with a top speed of 70 or 80 at Brands Indy. ![Razz](images/smiles/icon_razz.gif) |
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![Post Post](templates/standard/images/icon_minipost.gif) Posted: 13:55 - 06 Jul 2016 Post subject: Re: Small CC bikes - And Track days |
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I've wondered about sticking one of the 160 pit bikes in and taking it out for a session.
I reckon Lydden hill would be a good start - generally a bit slower than brands, though you may suffer a bit going up the hill after Devil's elbow. It's exactly a mile and often has generally a slower clientle than brands. Compared to a kart circuit, in that distance it basically only manages to have 4 corners. There's only one really fast corner however. We did a moped race on a DNA125 there. The 2 stroke 125s in the same race were getting a decent pace on, but our near-stock 4 stroke with maybe 8-9hp wasn't great. (I think we did finish first 4 stroke however ).
Gazdaman who doesn't post on here any more did his first trackday on an MZ250.
Not a tarted up race prepped one, but a stock road one. With tyres that were pretty much square.
At the old Snetterton circuit, which had two long fast straights. He was still passing people in the corners.
It wouldn't be my choice, however - be interesting to take one out for a session.
Novice I can see would be quite frustrating as you've got people who are slow in the corners and fast on the straights. Inters might make more sense. Even then, likely you'll find a lot that are a lot slower in the corners than you. (Though of course a lot slower is less of an issue as can be easily passed.)
Note than brands is now 102db for Indy circuit as well. You may need a tacho to be noise tested (as mentioned above, I see). |
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Okay. So Brands have responded saying that they do not allow Pit bikes on their track.
So I challenged it. Not in a cocky way, but just to get a better understanding as to what they perceive a pit bike to be.
I have photos of a Honda MSX125 doing a track day at Brands.
Strictly speaking, Honda remade the Kawasaki KSR110, which is what the MSX is.
And a KSR110 is just a KLX110 with road trim.
A KLX110, is a pit bike. ![Laughing](images/smiles/icon_lol.gif) ____________________ - Honda XL125S - CBR400 NC29 - VFR400 NC30 - CBR400 NC29 - TL1000R - TeeZeR Pit! - Bandit 12 - YZF450 - LuckyMX125 Pit! - Demon X XLR 140 Pit!
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Ben,
Me and Marcus were out on track in Donington when a there was Honda Grom out on track with us! Bearin in mind that's the same size as yours with about 11bhp.
In the 8 laps I did on my session out, I lapped him twice at Donington. My lap times are typically around the 1:55 - 2:00 around Donny. He was riding out in the novice inters session!
Granted, he was only dicking about on his grom since his other bike in his van was an RSV4!
It is dooable, but you just have to watch out for faster bikes passing you at speed. The chap was decent enough to pull off line on craner curves and old hairpin so that we could apex it at speed.
Strictly speaking, I'd go in on novice group so that the speed differential isn't as severe. ____________________ The Tot 2007 Yamaha R1 4C8 2002 Yamaha FZS1000 Fazer &
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A few years ago a couple of mates did a Cadwell trackday on RSX100s. They were in the novices and enjoyed it.... ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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