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If it was that simplistic I'm sure we wouldn't be having strikes about it. |
What's it over then? The New Deal has been adjusted already in their favor, to shut the feckers up. All it involves is less hours and more money in exchange for including up to 10pm weekdays and Saturday daytime as normal hours.
Polarbear wrote: | Doctors, even junior ones are not stupid people. |
"Save our NHS"?! - How is a new deal, bringing the NHS out of the dark ages and making it more user friendly destroying it? The BMA are dressing this up as the government destroying the NHS, when it reality, the government are just trying to improve it for the patients.
Polarbear wrote: | If they think the deal on offer would be worse than the one they have at the moment it probably is. Lets not forget they can work stupidly long hours with their current deal. |
"They" - this is the problem, "They" have been misled by their union. The fixed "pay calculator" which the union put up to pretend Junior Snowflakes would be worse off is a prime example.
Polarbear wrote: | Anyway, withdrawal of labour is their right. Unlike the MP's, they don't have a lapdog of a pay committee to give them 8% or whatever it was. |
No, they have an (anti right wing government) union to blackmail the public if they're not getting special enough privileges from the tax payer. This is just political posturing from a left wing union, the JD's will believe anything the union tells them. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Looks like every other shiny-backside covering project risk assessment that I've seen, but with added #BlameBrexit and... what's that at the bottom? Equalities. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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The Guardian eh? Wonder what slant they'll put on the story? ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Llama-Farmer wrote: | 7 days of service for 5 days funding. |
Not this again? They are asking them to spread the hours they work. We went through this time and time again with very basic examples which most root vegetables could comprehend.
There will not be more patients, they will just be more evenly spread, like the JD requirements. It's not effing rocket science.
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"They" - this is the problem, "They the government" have misled their public. The lies that Jeremy Hunt spread, the data and studies that he a) purposefully misrepresented, or b) ignorantly misinterpreted then presented as truth, the refusal to accept you can't have something for nothing (7 days work for 5 days funding) |
The public aren't the ones going on strike Trigger.
The level of work and funding does not change, see the point above or ask someone to explain it to you. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Same number of staff spread over more days and less hours = understaffed?
Or is that just me?
As a point in focus, we're down to 3 1/2 staff from 8 this week, due to a sacking, two holidays, and a trade exhibition in Europe, and put it this way, i can't wait for the week to end. Started early and finished late every day this week. And in the grand scheme of things, that's infinitely less work than anyone working in a hospital. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Jewlio has less common sense than a parsnip wrote: | Same number of staff spread over more days and less hours = understaffed?
Or is that just me?
As a point in focus, we're down to 3 1/2 staff from 8 this week, due to a sacking, two holidays, and a trade exhibition in Europe, and put it this way, i can't wait for the week to end. Started early and finished late every day this week. And in the grand scheme of things, that's infinitely less work than anyone working in a hospital. |
Hey another root vegetable!
Same number of patients, treatment over a longer period = less doctors needed at any one time.
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Except it won't be the same number of patients over a longer period of time. Or are you suggesting that they'll suddenly stop emergency patients, saying hangonamo, we've filed our quota today, come back tomorrow?
Or are you saying that the routine appointments will suddenly stop being made in the week? Or will they still have the same number of appointments during the week, with the added number available at the weekend, because waiting lists?
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Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | Except it won't be the same number of patients over a longer period of time. Or are you suggesting that they'll suddenly stop emergency patients, saying hangonamo, we've filed our quota today, come back tomorrow?
Or are you saying that the routine appointments will suddenly stop being made in the week? Or will they still have the same number of appointments during the week, with the added number available at the weekend, because waiting lists?
Or are you autie and think everything is so black and white? |
The government are trying to make the NHS more convenient for the tax payers who fund it. Probably a bit too hard for you to grasp, but try.
Where are all these new patients coming from, needing the same concentration of staffing as over the shorter periods of current less convenient (to the public/customers/people who pay their wages) hours?
On a personal note, I'm happy they are striking as I presume they get feck all money from the tax payer? We could seriously cut the NHS budget if Operation Snowflake carries on with its little "look at me" strop. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Are you a bit dim? Not needed nhs treatment recently?
There's these little things for non emergency appointments called 'waiting lists'. Some can be 6 months long. Despite all this bullshit about how they've dropped.
Spread 50 people out over 7 days, or get 70 in that 7 days and proclaim the end of waiting lists?
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Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | Spread 50 people out over 7 days, or get 70 in that 7 days |
Because all of a sudden the number of patients scheduled for any given day won't have to be related to the (reduced) number of sawbones available on that day?
Well sure, if you're going to invent entirely new and unrelated problems. But since we're in Imagination Land, why wait for the 7 day NHS to implement that?
Jeremy Hunt could just personally call up everybody on all the waiting lists and tell them to come in tomorrow. Then he'd summon all the JD's to the Old Abandoned Bedlam Asylum, and cackle "Your much vaunted universal access shall avail thee naught against my nefarious schemes!", twirl his moustaches, <SMOKEBOMB.gif> and he flies away on his Robo-Dactyl. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | Are you a bit dim? Not needed nhs treatment recently?
There's these little things for non emergency appointments called 'waiting lists'. Some can be 6 months long. Despite all this bullshit about how they've dropped.
Spread 50 people out over 7 days, or get 70 in that 7 days and proclaim the end of waiting lists?
Are you sure you're not autistic? |
That's fact is it?
Or does it just fit your agenda?
If we cut through the bullsh1t involved in this disagreement, it's really all about the money. The union have been PR'ing it as "patent safety", when that's not the reason for the grievance.
Junior Snowflakes already work evenings and weekends and they do very well out of the overtime wheeze. Too well it appears, when many manage to double their salary as an apprentice.
The government are trying to get them to include some of the hours, which would normally attract overtime, as normal rate. In return they get an 11% basic pay rise. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Llama-Farmer wrote: | They'll have appointments increased, [he asserted, and yet offered] not a single shred of evidence that shows how they will [do that] |
Same question as to Jewlio above.
This entirely independent and new problem you've just imagineered, of suddenly and inexplicably scheduling more work per doctor per hour, from where did you obtain it? Did it require rubber gloves and lube to pull it out? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 17:13 - 08 Sep 2016 Post subject: |
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So, why don't they just go ahead and schedule in more appointments per doctor-hour today?
For what are they waiting? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 228 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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