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PostPosted: 14:14 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: LightMode - Electroluminescent (EL) kit Reply with quote

Hello, has anyone tried, or does someone use EL kit on the helmet or bike?

Like on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbj0T_2ttRI

Is it worth to buy something like that for more visibility/safety?
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you did fancy it then you can DIY it for a fraction of the cost, all of the parts are freely available online and pretty much plug and play.

I personally wouldn't fit to mine, i bet they look mega shit during the day and most of my riding is in the day
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Shinigami, I just saw it online and thought it could be interesting, but I'll try to see on eBay.

Maybe it'll be handy to go riding in the night or if I have a really early or late shift. Wink
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear a Shark evo flip, that's supposed to light up like that apparently..
Old tech Phosphorescent, charges up under UV then glows in the dark... allegedly!
Had to check the 'manual' to find out of it was true, though, 'cos I never saw it; and only discovered the 'feature' when I bumped into some-one else with one who asked if I'd ever seen mine light up... 'cos he'd never seen his do it either! Lol.

EL wire? Now that might actually stand a chance of lighting up.....

My daughter, for a school photography project got an ELWire kit of e-bay to stage some 'light painting' pictures, which got me 'thinking'..... Lots of daft notions of how to use the stuff on a motorbike; using it to wire up indies or tail lamp, or bedding it into lacquer on the tank to make 'light up' pinstriping.... a little 'messing' though didn't suggest pleasant or even successful results would be all that easy, and that EL-Paint, as they use on car dash-panels so the numbers light up, would probably be the more likely to 'work', but, even more demanding to do.

BUT, revolves back to the question 'why'?

For Tron-cool custom effect, there's potential, BUT, all it is ever going to be is Tron-cool custom effect, and whether it works or not will ultimately be down to how well its executed and whether you can avoid it looking 'tacky'.

For conspicuity? Well, I suppose anything is better than nothing, but if Batenburg Bimmers with flashing blue lights on a pole can get SMIDSY'd? The 'odds' aren't going to be much improved by much at all really are they? so is it really worth the effort, and could you get as much added 'conspicuity' far more easily, and far more reliably from something more basic like fork-leg running lights, or side markers, or auxiliary tail lamps.

Lighting up the helmet, is something of a double edged sword, I think; first potential 'advantage' is that it 'may' side-step 'vehicle' lighting regulations, if the light-source isn't permanently attached or powered by the vehicle, but I say 'may' as wordings don't say that, and for example state it's an offence to show red-light at the front of the vehicle... as rider, if you wore a push-bike tail light on your hat and did a shoulder check, so red-lamp on hat shone forwards, you'd still be showing red-light 'ahead'.. so could be deemed in contravention....

That 'mobility' though; giving light movement with your head, will add to conspicuity, but conspicuity is only part of the story; you want other drivers to see, then take note of what they see, THEN take apropriate action for what you have shown them. JUST getting thier attension isn't enough; and if they see 'colourful' lights, they wont necesserily give it any more attension than they would a kid on the pavement in flashy trainers or playing with a toy.

One of the self-defeating 'problems' of conspicuity 'aids'... you grab attention, BUT, without any 'iconic' association to tell who-ever's attention you have grabbed 'instantly' what they are looking at; they will even more readily dismiss it as 'not important'.

So actually, idea that added conspicuity 'cant hurt' might not be so true.

Bottom line is, no I haven't tried it; as far as safety goes, I think there's an awful lot of areas that can do far more to improve my survival odds than mucking about with lamps. While for 'style'.. the futuristic tron-esque fantacy style, is something that's been done, its not so 'novel' and risks a lot of 'cheese' for the aesthetic results likely. either way, lots more 'useful' ways to waste my time or money.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
I wear a Shark evo flip, that's supposed to light up like that apparently.. ...either way, lots more 'useful' ways to waste my time or money.


I don't know, at least for now, if I'm gonna buy it.

I think that before I buy it I will stick some high-visibility tape on the helmet, like they had in the old helmets, many years ago.

Maybe later I'll buy a cheap kit on eBay and try it on the helmet or bike.

Thanks for the explanation, and I'll try to check the Phosphorescent you talked about. Smile
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must have a first gen Fireblade though, it will look crap on anything else.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Re: LightMode - Electroluminescent (EL) kit Reply with quote

csn wrote:
Hello, has anyone tried, or does someone use EL kit on the helmet or bike?

Like on this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbj0T_2ttRI

Is it worth to buy something like that for more visibility/safety?


If it helps pull the chicks then I'm in. Cool

Apart from that it's a wee bit ghey.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks a lot light 'showing a white light to the rear of a vehicle' to me.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Looks a lot light 'showing a white light to the rear of a vehicle' to me.


For what I've seen in some videos, it's just a way to make other road users see you better and probably quicker.

MCN, about the chicks you can try, and let us know if it works well Wink

As said previously, you would have to see which colours are allowed.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 21 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends if you want to wear dark clothing/helmet then I guess this isn't a bad idea but I suspect bright clothing and helmet would be more noticeable...
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you get some you need to affix it in the shape of a big floppy cock on your lid. It's the law...I read it somewhere.
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

csn wrote:
As said previously, you would have to see which colours are allowed.

You are not the vehicle, so strictly speaking, you should be able to show anything you like, including strobing red and blue.

However, I very much doubt that Dibble would see it that way. Whistle
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bare in mind Shark now sell a range of helmets with LED lighting built in, these are green lights however
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shinigami I'm not a helmet expert, the last one High-Tech I saw was one with a camera on the back and a little LCD on the visor to work like the rear-view mirror in cars.

About the colours and and shapes, you can do as you wish...everyone has their taste Smile

I'll try to search the Shark helmets, but for start I'm thinking of buying a simple full-face or a flip-up one.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

csn wrote:
Shinigami I'm not a helmet expert, the last one High-Tech I saw was one with a camera on the back and a little LCD on the visor to work like the rear-view mirror in cars.


That's an intreguing notion, actually.. action Cams.... If they are on your hat, pointing forwards... preview screen on the back... lit up... that could be contravention of C&U Lighting regs displaying white-light to the rear, couldn't it?

Usually the screens turn off to 'power-save' after a few seconds, but, I know one I have the screen comes back on at intervals when it 'cashes' so many minutes of footage and stuff....

Few occassions I've used mine, it's been mounted on the front brake reservoir not my hat, so I suppose I 'sheild' any light from it to the rear... BUT makes me wonder....

What about all the electronic gizmos's vehicles are being festooned with these days? Sat-Nav's, Dash-Cams, I-Phones, DVD Players in the head-rests for the kids?

Always find it amusing, on the motorway, seeing cars with screen-mounted Sat-Navs, sitting in the middle lane; the sat-nav lighting up the cars cabin, so I can actually watch, bemused driver, looking frantically at the thing wondering why it's not told them to do anything for twenty minutes, their pained expression perfectly illuminated by the widget on the window!

So much ilumination these days, such a cacophony of light, every where we look..... whether it's in contravention of C&U Lighting regs or not..... Maybe greater 'conspicuity' is to be found in NOT lighting ourselves up like a christmas tree, and blending in, in perfect camouflage, with the confusion of neon advertising, signage, and gadgets we are surrounded by?
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:
csn wrote:
Shinigami I'm not a helmet expert, the last one High-Tech I saw was one with a camera on the back and a little LCD on the visor to work like the rear-view mirror in cars.


That's an intreguing notion, actually.. action Cams.... If they are on your hat, pointing forwards... preview screen on the back... lit up... that could be contravention of C&U Lighting regs displaying white-light to the rear, couldn't it?

Usually the screens turn off to 'power-save' after a few seconds, but, I know one I have the screen comes back on at intervals when it 'cashes' so many minutes of footage and stuff....

Few occassions I've used mine, it's been mounted on the front brake reservoir not my hat, so I suppose I 'sheild' any light from it to the rear... BUT makes me wonder....

What about all the electronic gizmos's vehicles are being festooned with these days? Sat-Nav's, Dash-Cams, I-Phones, DVD Players in the head-rests for the kids?

Always find it amusing, on the motorway, seeing cars with screen-mounted Sat-Navs, sitting in the middle lane; the sat-nav lighting up the cars cabin, so I can actually watch, bemused driver, looking frantically at the thing wondering why it's not told them to do anything for twenty minutes, their pained expression perfectly illuminated by the widget on the window!

So much ilumination these days, such a cacophony of light, every where we look..... whether it's in contravention of C&U Lighting regs or not..... Maybe greater 'conspicuity' is to be found in NOT lighting ourselves up like a christmas tree, and blending in, in perfect camouflage, with the confusion of neon advertising, signage, and gadgets we are surrounded by?


The backlight on my drift is green and has no rear pointing lights so depends on the make/model i suppose
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teflon-Mike wrote:

That's an intreguing notion, actually.. action Cams.... If they are on your hat, pointing forwards... preview screen on the back... lit up... that could be contravention of C&U Lighting regs displaying white-light to the rear, couldn't it?


No, because as Rogerborg has already said, the rider is not part of the vehicle. Lighting regs apply to the vehicle, not the rider.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Teflon-Mike wrote:

That's an intreguing notion, actually.. action Cams.... If they are on your hat, pointing forwards... preview screen on the back... lit up... that could be contravention of C&U Lighting regs displaying white-light to the rear, couldn't it?


No, because as Rogerborg has already said, the rider is not part of the vehicle. Lighting regs apply to the vehicle, not the rider.


Sorry, for maybe a stupid question, for what I understood, the action cam in the handlebar is not considered part of the vehicle, probably because you can take it off easily.... Thinking

So, if install the EL kit on the bike connected to the battery I'd have to see the lighting regs, because it would be part of the bike, right?
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skwal. Purpose made for the job. And not silly money either.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

csn wrote:
Sorry, for maybe a stupid question, for what I understood, the action cam in the handlebar is not considered part of the vehicle, probably because you can take it off easily.... Thinking

So, if install the EL kit on the bike connected to the battery I'd have to see the lighting regs, because it would be part of the bike, right?



If it were powered by the bike I could see an argument that it was part of it - I don't think the non permanentness (wtf!!) is of any use as defence. Battery pack in your pocket can't really be classed as part of hte bike.

In reality I wouldn't worry too much. I see trucks every day with an array of blue lighting behind the driver and nobody seems to care.

Just as an example of how cheap this can be - That's £10, just add batteries.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Skwal. Purpose made for the job. And not silly money either.


They're pretty nice looking lids too, i'd probably buy one if I needed a new lid, current one is less than a year old though
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used EL panels in a topbox lighting project last year. The finished effect was pretty cool and certainly had the desired effect. The problem was the panels don't like moisture and rapidly degraded.

EL panels/wire also degrade over time anyway they lose brightness so it's a bit meh.
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ADSrox0r wrote:
I've used EL panels in a topbox lighting project last year. The finished effect was pretty cool and certainly had the desired effect. The problem was the panels don't like moisture and rapidly degraded.

EL panels/wire also degrade over time anyway they lose brightness so it's a bit meh.


Neopixels might be a better solution for that, you could make them behave as brake lights and indicators (individually addressable) and they can be had in waterproof sleeve.
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 22 Sep 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Neopixels


True, but I wanted the uniformity of EL panels. The Honda 56 litre topbox has some hyowge red 'brake light' areas on it that I wanted it in. I prefer to see the effect of lighting, not the lighting itself and I've seen it done with LEDs and wotnot before. In my own opinion it looks naff, it looks exactly like what it is rather than 'ooooh how did you do that?'
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True, but I wanted the uniformity of EL panels. The Honda 56 litre topbox has some hyowge red 'brake light' areas on it that I wanted it in. I prefer to see the effect of lighting, not the lighting itself and I've seen it done with LEDs and wotnot before. In my own opinion it looks naff, it looks exactly like what it is rather than 'ooooh how did you do that?'


Errm, that's what defusers are for.
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