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PostPosted: 22:51 - 08 Oct 2016    Post subject: Do you prefer rigid or floppy ...Ground anchors? Reply with quote

So I sold an old bike to a work colleague and it was recently stolen, with the following setup...
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/GaIAAOSw14xWMgYr/s-l300.jpg
Oddly with the less than formidable chain, they attacked the ground anchor with an angle grinder ...to steal a rusty 1998 CG 125 Shocked

So my chain and lock game is up to scratch, and whilst it wasn't my first thought before, I'm now looking to up my anchor game...
Am I best off with a rigid beast like the Double Doofer? or something that will bounce around more like the Torc Ground Anchor?
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 08 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If somone is desperate enough to steal a rusty cg125 that has been chained up, they deserve it imo Laughing

Neither. Removable ground anchors are removable. Quite easily removable. Dig a hole, concrete in.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got one of these concreted in (y)

https://www.yanchor.com/y-max%20901.html
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

i love the look of the Yanchor and as a bonus with no chain in it, its flush with the floor... not like most anchors that you trip over lol
The bigger version with a 19mm chain would be a good deterrent Smile

I got Anchor, chain and lock from Almax.

i have a reinforced door with 5 lever mortice, and 2 more Squire locks from Almax, Then a 7 foot gate at side of house with another lock.

And you need to pass 3x CCTV to get to the garage (Only 1 way in) which has movement sensors on that alerts my phone by SMS and Email (with picture)

im 6'4 and 18 stone.... i fear for any thief i catch in my undies in the cold at 3am, i dont think i would be very happy lol

How ironic will it be though after all my security, if my bike gets nicked parked outside a shop or similar :/
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PostPosted: 05:43 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoe wrote:
I got Anchor, chain and lock from Almax.

i have a reinforced door with 5 lever mortice, and 2 more Squire locks from Almax, Then a 7 foot gate at side of house with another lock.



I have the same Almax setup,

Garage door is reinforced with 4 Asec door looks fitted internally with a garage defender externally and two cars outside the door

Bike is also alarmed and immobilized Wink
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoe wrote:

The bigger version with a 19mm chain would be a good deterrent Smile


Key word there, deterrent.
I have mine through a Mammoth ground anchor which is double layered.
But, as with most metals it would take a minute to cut through....maybe even with the tools looked up in the garage with the bike.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Defiant ground anchor that Almax sell is pretty badass. It's not just plate metal, it's got something that's reasonably mobile inside that presumably makes cutting with a grinder/saw quite difficult. Ever tried grinding something that wasn't firmly held?

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PostPosted: 10:05 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

nitrosurf wrote:
The Defiant ground anchor that Almax sell is pretty badass. It's not just plate metal, it's got something that's reasonably mobile inside that presumably makes cutting with a grinder/saw quite difficult. Ever tried grinding something that wasn't firmly held?

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Rarely but its has happened a few times at work. Its harder but not impossible.
If you have got into the garage and have the means of escape/transport of bike, have the tools and time.

Hence deterrent, just hope it looks too much effort.
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dav1son wrote:
Hence deterrent, just hope it looks too much effort.


A fair point... if it looks like hard work they wont bother (same reason most of these nobs dont have jobs) They will go and target someone else.

Nothing is perfect, all you can do is put something in place that has these 3 qualities

1, Floodlights.... thieves dont like being lit up!
2, Being delayed... the longer it takes the more likely they get caught.
3, Noise.... if its noisy trying to beat your security they will likely scarper

there is a 4th option that involves a big nasty dog lol
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

nitrosurf wrote:
The Defiant ground anchor that Almax sell is pretty badass. It's not just plate metal, it's got something that's reasonably mobile inside that presumably makes cutting with a grinder/saw quite difficult. Ever tried grinding something that wasn't firmly held?

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I've read that its some sort of roller so i would guess, when it gets attacked by a angle grinder, the roller spins with the grinder (like a tyre on a rolling road?) so making it harder or impossible to cut? Dunno.

Also the glue they use has a resistant pull of 15 tons? Could be all marketing bull, but i feel more confidant having one.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoe wrote:


im 6'4 and 18 stone.... i fear for any thief i catch in my undies in the cold at 3am,


https://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f260/ScottT2728/harry-harrington_zpsg5uukovk.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScottT wrote:
Barnoe wrote:


im 6'4 and 18 stone.... i fear for any thief i catch in my undies in the cold at 3am,


https://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f260/ScottT2728/harry-harrington_zpsg5uukovk.jpg


I believe they call they 'being raped by a bear'.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScottT wrote:


Was it rigid, or floppy? Thinking

Since my fence is getting pretty rotten now, I've been looking into this - I'm renting and there's no telling when I'll get a new fence (or whether it'll be any good), I have an Almax around the fencepost you see. The ground is just dirt, under paving slabs here and bitumen there.

So I'm thinking of a large block of concrete with an anchor set into that. Does anyone have any experiences doing it this way?

Crap, I just saw this - good idea?

Quote:
Get an old car tyre from ATS or somewhere.
Get some old wire fence netting.
Get some bricks and or pebbles, and cement

Tip the tyre on its end. Stuff the wire in so it 'fills' the whole tyre.
Fill the bottom of the tyre with bricks/stones. Fill the spaces with concrete.
When it dries, rotate it slightly and repeat the stones/concrete thing.
Repeat until the whole tyre is stuffed with reinforced concrete.
Wrap in polythene to keep everything clean. Finish with Duck tape.

Voila, hight security Polo mint. Around 60kg for a fairly small tyre. You can roll it round to move it but once a bike is locked to it you can't move it.
There is no small section for a thief to bolt crop.
The rubber protects the concrete from hammer attacks.

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PostPosted: 22:32 - 09 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the look of the Y-Anchors but I hesitate to say it may be more than my needs for a shit commuter, and looks like it need cementing deep.

Barnoe wrote:

A fair point... if it looks like hard work they wont bother (same reason most of these nobs dont have jobs) They will go and target someone else.
...
there is a 4th option that involves a big nasty dog lol


I used to think like that, until I was aware of some radgeys taking an ANGLE GRINDER to a CG theft. Shocked
It was no more than 2 miles from an area I know to have more than 1 CBR600 without ground anchorage. Thinking
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a (knock off ebay) Y-anchor, I cannot see how anyone could get through it without something ridiculous. had my drive one and it was put in then. It's neat and dare I say it foolproof*. Obviously the chain is still vulnerable.


*Short of a jack hammer or pulling it out with a truck (which would trash the bike too.)
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flatbadger wrote:



Crap, I just saw this - good idea?

Quote:
Get an old car tyre from ATS or somewhere.
Get some old wire fence netting.
Get some bricks and or pebbles, and cement

Tip the tyre on its end. Stuff the wire in so it 'fills' the whole tyre.
Fill the bottom of the tyre with bricks/stones. Fill the spaces with concrete.
When it dries, rotate it slightly and repeat the stones/concrete thing.
Repeat until the whole tyre is stuffed with reinforced concrete.
Wrap in polythene to keep everything clean. Finish with Duck tape.

Voila, hight security Polo mint. Around 60kg for a fairly small tyre. You can roll it round to move it but once a bike is locked to it you can't move it.
There is no small section for a thief to bolt crop.
The rubber protects the concrete from hammer attacks.


I'm not sure if I'm missing something but what's stopping you just picking it up once it's got a chain through it?

I could easily pick a 60kg small tyre up and run about with it. It's just going to make a couple of guys laugh as they pick it and the bike up and fuck off.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A nice deep hole, filled to the brim, with a double ended thingy sunk deep. Mr. Green Y anchor in concrete with an Almax. Top of anchor is level with the grass.
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw this on a facebook page, seems like a good idea, even better if you stuck the handle in a block of concrete.
No good for carrying around but not bad for locking the bike up at night.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Van-Wheel-Clamp-Safety-Lock-Trailer-Caravan-Anti-Theft-Car-Lock-Heavy-Duty-/401018206591?hash=item5d5e8c397f:g:8ToAAOSw5VFWLvZJ


https://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f260/ScottT2728/clamp_zps5xupyvep.jpg
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScottT wrote:
I saw this on a facebook page, seems like a good idea, even better if you stuck the handle in a block of concrete.
No good for carrying around but not bad for locking the bike up at night.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Car-Van-Wheel-Clamp-Safety-Lock-Trailer-Caravan-Anti-Theft-Car-Lock-Heavy-Duty-/401018206591?hash=item5d5e8c397f:g:8ToAAOSw5VFWLvZJ


https://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f260/ScottT2728/clamp_zps5xupyvep.jpg


Interesting, could easily carry 2.6kg, the larger linked chains 10kg+ I cannot recommend carrying though. Laughing

That being said, the lock fitted appears to be almost as weak as a Kensington style laptop tether, and not one of the later models, the earlier ones you could pick with a sliced cardboard tube.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 10 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:


That being said, the lock fitted appears to be almost as weak as a Kensington style laptop tether, and not one of the later models, the earlier ones you could pick with a sliced cardboard tube.


I agree with that, but its a £12 lock so i wouldnt expect much, but if you want to spend a bit more cash there are several well made wheel clamps that will fit bikes, this one seems a bit sturdier.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Atlas-Auto-Wheel-Clamp-SH5439-Sold-Secure-Gold-Insurance-Approved-/162032894485?hash=item25b9e9c215:g:q0QAAOSwbwlXCM59

I think the person who posted the original picture is on to something, even that cheap one fastened to the back wheel with the handle bit stuck between the centre stand legs is going to make it a lot more difficult to get to, concrete blocks with wheel clamps attached, thats the future!
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 11 Oct 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

tom_e wrote:

I could easily pick a 60kg small tyre up and run about with it. It's just going to make a couple of guys laugh as they pick it and the bike up and fuck off.


If you can do that, then I'd have to agree with you Thumbs Up
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