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Posted: 08:51 - 25 Oct 2016 Post subject: |
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Sable wrote: | Which other motorcycle group could reliably run a protest motorcycle event |
The No To Bike Parking Tax mob, in about 2010.
MAG hung them out to dry ("democracy, not demos, simples") and it was pre-peak-hipster, so the Shoreditcheratti massive was notably absent.
Maybe they'll take some time off from getting their beards plaited while flogging £4.50 bowls of porridge to organise something worthwhile.
Since we don't know, we'll have to make our own fun for now. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 10:56 - 25 Oct 2016 Post subject: |
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But, but, Sadiq said he'd be their bestest, bestest friend. Now they can't even get a meeting with the Deputy Assistant Backup Mayor.
The only thing that I'm sure of is that MAG, BMF, the Shoreditcheratti and the rump of the No To Mob will resolutely refuse to work with each other, because each outfit will be convinced that only they are the One True Riders' Rights organisation. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Totally get the sentiment here, honestly I do.
I'm no hardcore biker, nor am I a retro-bike fashionista. I started riding as a cheap means to get to work and back, started enjoying it so took it further and went for social rides with mates no and then. That said, my point is that however these people have chosen to approach the concerns of all bikers is up to them. The message they're aiming to deliver is the same message you or I would want to deliver - safety for bikers, better use of the roads and general awareness of bikers' needs.
Now, for the much needed full disclosure...
I'm not affiliated with the group(s) behind this in any way. I do not have lunch in their cafes, nor do I get my hair cut at their barbers. I don't do social media. None of it. In fact this forum and MSUK are the only two "social" platforms (if they're classed as that) I frequent.
I have a friend, who is a biker and is really into restoring old military bikes as a hobby. Through his years of meddling he's got to know a great number of those involved in the DGR and Bike Shed. That's not to say he's a bearded-hipster, but far from it. He's an ordinary engineer who seeks information about his hobby from those that know it, doesn't matter who they are. He is the "friend" through which I heard about this and that was simply a coffee break conversation where we were discussing the recent theft of my bike. He mentioned about the group and said to look them up. Literally that. Now, believe it or not he's not aware of my inputs to this forum. It's not something I've ever felt the need to mention. It's only BCF after all!!
All said and done, I still believe any noise is good noise when it comes to the topics in question. In particular the ULEZ issue which is probably going to cripple a lot of daily-riders in the southeast. ____________________ GSXR 600 K6 - Stolen
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Posted: 13:24 - 25 Oct 2016 Post subject: |
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TheArchitect wrote: | The message they're aiming to deliver |
Is currently a mystery.
Serious question: since MAG have already said they're on the case, what's the purpose of backing another organisation with the same goals? Are they complementary? Competing? Redundant?
My point is that if their organisation was all that, then we (and TfL and the Major's office) wouldn't need to be asking that question. Calls would already have been made, feathers unruffled, ducks put in a row, and there would be a single Popular Bikers' Front pushing London specific issues. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Speaking as someone who was involved in direct action as part of the NTBPT mob, garnering support from like-minded individuals is easy. Gaining and maintaining momentum for participation in actual, physical events on a regular basis is difficult and requires a strong bond based on respect for those leading the charge.
Very easy to type tough on an iMac in Costa, but blockading Trafalgar Square every Wednesday morning for months, or wedging your bike in the revolving doors of Westminster Council's offices preventing the staff from entering takes commitment to the cause and tests the group belief and ultimate respect in the lead figures.
In our case we got close, real close. Feathers were well and truly ruffled. Unfortunately in the end a few decided to turn against the groups activism, which caused a divide and then a falter. Still took Westminster council to the RCoJ though, which I bet few ever expected.
Expecting the hipster brigade to garner that level of support for real, regular boots-on-the-ground action? Never happen.
They remind me of this:
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McCharlie is famously dyslexic, so he might think he's "A" list. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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It lives!
https://www.weridelondon.com/
Oh, wow, #Hashtags. And awareness rides! In work togs and open face lids, in winter.
InB4 "at least they're trying to do something". ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Rogerborg wrote: | It lives!
https://www.weridelondon.com/
Oh, wow, #Hashtags. And awareness rides! In work togs and open face lids, in winter.
InB4 "at least they're trying to do something". |
Well I'm going to say it, at least they are doing something.
Looking at their websites, the BMF (supposedly the biggest bike club in the UK) doesn't even mention the issue and MAG, whilst being 'fuming' (do you see what they did there ) give us a couple of paragraphs of typical Leon Mannings breastbeating and bugger all else; by their own admission, their most recent 'campaign' was two years ago and, as far as I can tell, their policy of having behind the scenes talks achieves sod all.
This might seem a storm in a teacup to non London bikers, but this is the thin end of a very shitty wedge.
If Sado Kuhnt gets his way, not only will he bring this in two years early, but he will change the borders from the current congestion zone, to the North and South circular roads, which effectively makes London a no go zone for bikes older than 2007.
If this goes through unchallenged, it opens the flood gates for every other big city to do the same, so just because you don't go near London, don't be under any illusion that it doesn't effect you.
I'm no hipster and I don't go along with their vision of biking, but if they are prepared to get the ball rolling, then all power too them. ____________________ Things get better with age; I'm close to being magnificent........
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Shaft wrote: | [MAG's] policy of having behind the scenes talks achieves sod all. |
Precisely. MAG's professional lobbyists are already talking directly to the transport chief''s deputy's assistant's secretary.
Now, given that snarling up central London once a week for years couldn't even get the NTBPT mob a whiff of a concession from Westminster council, what exactly is a #Hashtag and a polite ride out going to achieve at a higher level?
No fluffy handwaving, please: what's the connection between a #Hashtag and being given a serious audience with someone who matters?
I'm not proposing a better plan, I'm noting that their current one doesn't appear to be a plan at all, just a vague hope. When I see a clear connection between a campaign of action and the desired response, I'll get behind it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Conversely, MAG's recent internal politics, turmoil and inactivity has played directly into the hands of the bureaucrats..
Which begs the question, are they really that useless - or are they controlled opposition?
At the height of the NTBPT campaign we tried to get MAG and members of the UK biking press interested.. No joy at all, even though lots of the NTBPT lot were active MAG members.
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Kris wrote: | Which begs the question, are they really that useless - or are they controlled opposition? |
They don't serve bikers but are controlled by manipulative, self-serving psychopaths.
There's mounting evidence that MAG has been actively trying to dissolve, subvert and derail its own London Bike Theft Protest movement, by kicking out the active figures in that campaign, trying to smear them as if they were politicians, and letting their own, pet control freak pretend to have high-level contacts among, police and MI5 who are actively liaising with them behind the scenes to stop bike theft. The main deal seems to be "shut up, do nothing, expect no change, and accept the leadership of our phoney". They're trying to fill the void in action/capability/change with lies, basically, in order to be seen as leaders of a gang by someone. "I'm really a mover and shaker - shut up, believe my lies about spies and supercops, and help me weed out the real leaders and effective people from our campaign." More info to come. ____________________ Safety in numbers |
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Huh, I was hoping for better after Liversidge was ousted (again).
But hope, as I noted above, is not a strategy. I should know better, having had experience of the petty politics that goes on in national volunteer organisations with Superficially Similar Rivals. It really is Judean People's Front versus People's Front of Judea stuff.
And here we go now with the Judean Popular People's Front.
Kris wrote: | At the height of the NTBPT campaign we tried to get MAG and members of the UK biking press interested. |
The impression I got from a fair remove was that MAG are (or were) mostly concerned with rural cruiserist issues for rural cruiserist riders. Helmets, leg protectors[*], hi vis, mandatory CE gear, that sort of thing. Daily commuters on their daily commutes, pfft, who cares about that lot? BRAAAP-BRAP-BRAP-BRAP.
It's nice to see them taking a belated interest in what must surely the biggest group of riders.
[*] LEG PROTECTARS NEVAR FORGIT!!!! ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Surely they should be banning pre-2997 cars, vans and buses first???Or I am I missing the point? ____________________ My Flickr |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 166 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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