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![Post Post](templates/standard/images/icon_minipost.gif) Posted: 11:41 - 11 Nov 2016 Post subject: |
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It's always amused me that most motorcyclists wouldnt dream of commuting through busy traffic without wearing at least a jacket, gloves and a helmet, but on a bicycle, lycra is acceptable.
Likewise, ride a motorcycle with a defective brake light and you'll likely be pulled over. Ride a bicycle with no lights and thats fine.
Granted there are idiots everywhere, but lack of regulation encourages them.
If you do the same speeds on your pushbike as your motorcycle, I'd question the stopping distance argument, so if that worries you, simply ride the motorcycle slower, but like small motorcycles, bicycles are more forgiving and approchable in terms of physical bulk
Every cyclist commuter I know has had an off caused by another vehicle.
Asked another way, if I took your existing bicycle and fitted a small engine so you didnt need to pedal and it could out accelerate traffic from the lights, but otherwsie had the dynamics of your current bicycle, how would you feel about it then? |
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B5234FT wrote: | It's always amused me that most motorcyclists wouldnt dream of commuting through busy traffic without wearing at least a jacket, gloves and a helmet, but on a bicycle, lycra is acceptable. |
I thought this might come up My logic's the speeds are lower and your body needs to be able to breath... and I don't where lycra anyway. I've never had anything more than cuts/grazes when coming off a bicycle.
Quote: | If you do the same speeds on your pushbike as your motorcycle, I'd question the stopping distance argument, so if that worries you, simply ride the motorcycle slower, but like small motorcycles, bicycles are more forgiving and approchable in terms of physical bulk |
Well I can hold a genuine 20(ish) mph, on a mountain bike with standard v-brakes and I know it stops a lot better Also riding a motorbike that slowly would defeat the purpose of having one, you'd still have people constantly overtaking you.
Quote: | Every cyclist commuter I know has had an off caused by another vehicle.
Asked another way, if I took your existing bicycle and fitted a small engine so you didnt need to pedal and it could out accelerate traffic from the lights, but otherwsie had the dynamics of your current bicycle, how would you feel about it then? |
I've cycled tens of thousands of miles and never had a crash with a car (hopefully I never will). I think I'd like a small engine like you used to get (bicycles with small 2-stroke motors). eBikes are an option but with the assist cutting out at 15mph iirc they're a waste really. However getting one that's been de-restricted is an option ![Thinking](images/smiles/eusa_think.gif) |
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M.C wrote: | B5234FT wrote: | It's always amused me that most motorcyclists wouldnt dream of commuting through busy traffic without wearing at least a jacket, gloves and a helmet, but on a bicycle, lycra is acceptable. |
I thought this might come up My logic's the speeds are lower and your body needs to be able to breath... and I don't where lycra anyway. I've never had anything more than cuts/grazes when coming off a bicycle.
Quote: | If you do the same speeds on your pushbike as your motorcycle, I'd question the stopping distance argument, so if that worries you, simply ride the motorcycle slower, but like small motorcycles, bicycles are more forgiving and approchable in terms of physical bulk |
Well I can hold a genuine 20(ish) mph, on a mountain bike with standard v-brakes and I know it stops a lot better Also riding a motorbike that slowly would defeat the purpose of having one, you'd still have people constantly overtaking you.
Quote: | Every cyclist commuter I know has had an off caused by another vehicle.
Asked another way, if I took your existing bicycle and fitted a small engine so you didnt need to pedal and it could out accelerate traffic from the lights, but otherwsie had the dynamics of your current bicycle, how would you feel about it then? |
I've cycled tens of thousands of miles and never had a crash with a car (hopefully I never will). I think I'd like a small engine like you used to get (bicycles with small 2-stroke motors). eBikes are an option but with the assist cutting out at 15mph iirc they're a waste really. However getting one that's been de-restricted is an option ![Thinking](images/smiles/eusa_think.gif) |
Oh I'm not suggesting you should do anything differently, sod pedalling in full textiles! The assumption is that you go faster on a bike, but tbh, if you're commuting in London (for example) you'll be doing a similar speed on either for the most part and thus it makes an amusing comparison.
You reckon you can stop a mountain bike from 20 in less distance than a motorbike, reliably enough in poor conditions to take advantage of the difference? True, I wasnt suggesting you should, merely that the perceived advantage is not one of a bicycle being lighter, its the fact youre going slower
Indeed, so its not a bicyle vs motorcycle argument really, its perception. A bicycle with a 50cc engine still seems easy to handle and you probably picture yourself on it still wearing a bike helmet and normal outdoor clothing. A 50cc motorcycle on the other hand is suddenly a motorbike. |
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duhawkz wrote: | I've been pulled over for no cycle lights on my way to work, in the distant past.
I'd have thought it would be nice little cash cow, ripe for milking |
Let's see how that would go then.
Copper on foot:
"Stop!"
"No." *continues riding*
Copper in car:
*Turns off street between two buildings and rides away down canal path*
or
*Stops, turns round, goes other way*
or
*refuses to stop, rides away erratically, chase gets silly, SOP is not to persue cyclists in a car in case of an accident.*
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"Stop in the name of the law!"
"Ok. It's a fair cop guvernor."
"Right sunshine, you're getting a ticket. What's your name?"
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Oh I'm not suggesting you should do anything differently, sod pedalling in full textiles! The assumption is that you go faster on a bike, but tbh, if you're commuting in London (for example) you'll be doing a similar speed on either for the most part and thus it makes an amusing comparison. |
Depends on the journey, but for me (commuting in London) I hit higher speeds on the motorbike (50 40 30mph officer) and the overall journey time's shorter, sometimes half the time if it's early in the morning.
Quote: | You reckon you can stop a mountain bike from 20 in less distance than a motorbike, reliably enough in poor conditions to take advantage of the difference? True, I wasnt suggesting you should, merely that the perceived advantage is not one of a bicycle being lighter, its the fact youre going slower ![Razz](images/smiles/icon_razz.gif) |
I'm still not convinced on that one. I think if you had a motorbike/bicycle matching speeds the bicycle would stop a lot quicker, even in the wet etc. Granted there are a few other factors, braking setup (for both), and whether the bicycle has suspension. I think racers suffer from not having any, as they often nearly go over the handlebars when they stop quickly
Quote: | Indeed, so its not a bicyle vs motorcycle argument really, its perception. A bicycle with a 50cc engine still seems easy to handle and you probably picture yourself on it still wearing a bike helmet and normal outdoor clothing. A 50cc motorcycle on the other hand is suddenly a motorbike. |
I imagine having an engine (on a bicycle) really upsets the handling, braking etc., I'd have to ride one. I also assume they fall under motorbike laws.
We have 50cc mopeds at work and I haven't even considered riding them, I'd rather cycle They're still nearly 100kg wet, a Puch Maxi's 40kg dry. Is there a modern equivalent with disc brakes? ![Thinking](images/smiles/eusa_think.gif) |
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