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Stoker
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PostPosted: 02:01 - 15 Dec 2016    Post subject: Bike Scrappage scheme Reply with quote

I went through one of the MAG missives posted on here earlier, and found proposals for a bike scrappage scheme, similar to the one that happend with cars some years ago, did anyone else notice it; and if so can you link please?

I realise as this historic and not recent it aint exactly news, but if it has slipped under everyone elses radar ( and we know how politicians like to hide things) then it is old news that some of you may like to be made aware of.

*Good news, perhaps, for dealers who have taken what in it's time might have been considered a pile of crap, in exchange for a brand new bike with financing, and have a barn (or 3) of potentially valuable scrap, but for the rest of us it means an end to a supply of cheap second-hand parts.

This is deliberate, it is to make us buy bland E4/5 bikes, to drive the economy by being good consumers by buying shit we don't really need.

What Happened to Repair, Re-use and Recycle?

* (there is an airfield somewhere in the uk, where hundreds, if not thousands of cars await destruction following their disposal under the so called scrappage scheme. Some of these cars, worth only their weight in scrap at the time of scrappage, are now worth their weight in wealthy middle-aged car enthusiasts willing to bid over their carcasses.......)
I hope I'm making myself clear?
Although I do realise that any bike over twenty years old is now considered a classic...how fucked is that...Pffff
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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 15 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't recall it. MCIA was banging on about it after the big slump in 2009, but sales have picked up.

Is this in the context of the London ULEZ zone making pre-2008 bikes pariahs?
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 15 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps there is a reason to keep my ancient KLE500 on the road after all.
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 15 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 1996 xv750 (Virago) is a 'classic' then Very Happy
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Alpineandy
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 15 Dec 2016    Post subject: Re: Bike Scrappage scheme Reply with quote

Stoker wrote:
I went through one of the MAG missives posted on here earlier, and found proposals for a bike scrappage scheme, similar to the one that happend with cars some years ago

That was a really dumb idea for cars. It ended up encouraging people with no knowledge of cars to trade in good solid older cars and get cheap 'disposable' but new cars in their place....
It was an amazing boost for Korean manufacturers especially but shit for the mechanics that would have kept the traded cars on the road, whilst now keeping the cost of older workhorse cars at an higher price than they should be. It'll also have a knock on effect as the Korean 'cheap work horse' will have to be thrown away when it's electrics / mechanics break as they'll be unavailable.

It would probably have a less effect on bikes as bikers tend to have some understanding of bikes, so we're less likely exchange a good, well built older bike for a cheap bit of new tat.
But there would be some...
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stevo as b4
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PostPosted: 02:16 - 16 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's one of the very few good examples of the Teflon Mantra, (bikes ain't like cars). Only the people with commuting use in mind that are already using often cheap and cheerful throw away Chinese or old nails of Japanese bikes, would take notice of scrappage incentives.

Fucking weirdos like me will go to great lengths and expense to buy and own 20-30year old bikes deliberately, as that's what we like and we won't entertain getting a new clean Euro4/5 compliant bike, as all we want from bikes is fun, nostalgia and lots of opportunities and potential for tinkering and restoring/building/modifying.

Probably 2/3 or more of UK bike owners are leisure bikers, and most of them are very bloody fussy, opinionated and narrow minded about exactly what they want in a new bike and even down to the brand loyalty, image, and model year.
A would be Fireblade owner might not even be willing to think about or look at ZX10R or S1000RR etc. They might only like the B1 or C6 models etc and not anything else.


In a whole different world The would be Ford Focus buyer, would probably be very open to looking at a Golf, Leon, A3 or Megane etc. There's no brand loyalty in cars, only specs/prices and a lot of premium badge snobbery. You will almost never hear of anyone that's had 3different generations of Ford Focus, and looks forward to upgrading to the new model revision every few years.

Its quite possible for someone to have owned every CBR or GSXR for the last 10years and be an enthusiast of them to an obsessive degree.

I wonder how many people who participated in the last car scrapped scheme kick themselves now for getting rid of their old banger. Probably not many but a few I would think

I'd much rather be owning a 20grand Escort RST series 1, that's accelerating in value now, instead of a 2016 20k Focus that's losing ££££'s a year and is very popular with a flooded market making finding them easy, but selling them hard.
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 17 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Fucking weirdos like me will go to great lengths and expense to buy and own 20-30year old bikes deliberately, as that's what we like and we won't entertain getting a new clean Euro4/5 compliant bike, as all we want from bikes is fun, nostalgia and lots of opportunities and potential for tinkering and restoring/building/modifying.

I'm glad you're finally admitting you have a problem Wink

I thought the car scrappage scheme was just a load of BS to stimulate the car industry, which was on its arse when the last recession hit.

I don't see what the justification would be for having a bike scrappage scheme. Even with ULEZ it's Diesel drivers that are gonna be hardest hit.
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Alpineandy
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PostPosted: 02:03 - 17 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
I thought the car scrappage scheme was just a load of BS to stimulate the car industry, which was on its arse when the last recession hit.

Kind of...
The only car industry that really benefitted was South Korea (the growth of Hyundai etc as a % of cars sold during that time was impressive) and a small amount of Japanese and German manufacturers.
The benefit to anyone in the UK was a really a pretty negative benefit as plenty of 'old bangers' that small garages would service lost work to the big dealers and the new cars needed less repair work...
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stevo as b4
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PostPosted: 02:11 - 17 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to mention the number of still fairly solid or restorable classics that were scrapped by worn down or time/money /skill deficient owners for a new Hyaundai or Kia box on wheels.

Loads of old motors from Morris Minors, to Capri's were crushed during the scrapping scheme, which for the amount of enjoyment and satisfaction you get out of driving a new Kia hatchback is criminal.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 17 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
Loads of old motors

Anecdotally, or... ?

Oh, here we are. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/357672/bis-foi-2014-20775-scrapped-vehicles-supporting-data.csv

81 Morris Minors.

30 Capris. Sad

On the other hand, 2004 Ford Kas. Thumbs UpWinkThumbs Up

11,800+ Micras! Dance!
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Alpineandy
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 17 Dec 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the usual "we haven't a clue what we're doing" DVLC style, there are some odd entries on it.
Like BMW - Mazda 323
and
BMW R1100RS
and
Renault 'Not stated' and 'Unknown'.

Basically a lot of cars, many (NOT ALL) of which could have been repaired and possibly even continue to be used today but were scrapped so a Sth Korean guy could get a salary...
Good work Gordon 'Fuck-wit' Brown.
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 18 Dec 2016    Post subject: Scrap Reply with quote

The mot tester i kne at the time had several cars in that were due to be scrapped as they needed a current mot
Some had tyres and exhausts fitted to pass
Them went off to be scrapped with the new parts still fitted !
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