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Posted: 18:33 - 05 Jan 2017 Post subject: Hello! My story 'til now - perseverance! |
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Hi all - long time lurker first time poster.
I'm 28, aerospace engineer at BAE,
Got the bug a year ago after riding pillion on my mates zzr in ride the lights down Bpool front. I bought a CB650F the next day, brand new, with a free DAS course the main reason. Can't ride the bike off the forecourt until i have my full license however
Been riding about 6 months, after passing my CBT and theory a year ago.
Long story short he gave me a J reg CG125 to learn on, with the premise that if i fix it i can use it then give it back to him. The electrics were mangled so i left it with a mate who worked at a local garage to get fixed. 5 months later - yes 5 months later i had the bike fixed and ready. (dont even ask)
Never having ridden a bike before I (stupily i guess) decided to book my DAS course after only riding the CG 2 weekends.
loved the rides out on day 1. slow manouvres on day 2 were iffy, would not get the hang of the fig 8 on the bigger bike (600 gladius).
day 3 was Mod1 - didnt even make it past the slalom - went too slow, stalled and 'placed' the bike down on a cone. test over. shock to me as i'd passed car test first time with only 2 lessons at 17.
waiting time for mod 1 is ~1 month,
2nd Mod 1 - stalled twice on the fig 8, but determined not to drop the bike i made it round (having the fight the bike upright sometimes! must have been quite a sight). Went wide on the u-turn. rest of the test perfect.
3rd mod1- booked an hour of practise the day before, as well as an hour before the test... went perfectly, did mock test 4 times in a row no problem.
test - didnt have my license as it hadnt been returned form the police for a speeding offence (id sent it off after my last mod 1 over 7 weeks previous!!) completely forgot as my license is *always* in my wallet lost my £100 fee for test + bike hire
4th mod 1- knocked last cone over on the slalom, head went and did the fig8 super tight. dropped the bike on the last bit of it. test over
5th mod1 - booked an hour the day before - dropped the bike during practise. test - instructor had told me id need to pay for the damage i had caused to the bike yesterday ~£100 for a new clutch handle and rear brake light case, not good prep! only fault on the test was ever so slightly wide on the u-turn. fuming to say the least (still my fault i know)
6th Mod1 - pass! minor for a missed lifesaver on the u-turn i think
my main problem was the time in between tests - over a month sometimes 8-10 weeks in between tests. Really hard to get used to a big bike when u cant really ride it apart from (expensive) lessons. (for my car test id gone our everyday with my dad). the CG i had of my mate was pretty diabolical tbh, very beat up and unable to use at night due to very dodgy electronics (headlight dodgy as feck!).
Slow speed manouevring with the bike was so much different to the 125, was very hard to change ur emphasis when the weight of the bike is probably 3 times heavier!
Never had any problem with the cornering or swerve, passed first time every time on the ones i made it to!
Mod 2 training is on sat and test is on weds - im quietly confident of a first time pass - been driving 10 years and quite confident on the road.
For anyone else reading who's feeling dissheartened with Mod1 fails - dont give up! if it wasnt for my instructor telling me i was a decent rider and he was baffled why i kept failing i wouldnt have done my 6th! well, 5th actual attempt!
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I'd been riding a 125 for a few years before sitting my tests.
It took three attempts before I managed to pass mod 1 on a big bike.
The most annoying thing for me was, when I'd practice the manoeuvres I'd get through them without any issue. Add an examiner into the equation though and I'd fall apart. ____________________ There ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk.
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Posted: 19:38 - 05 Jan 2017 Post subject: Re: Hello! My story 'til now - perseverance! |
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AshWebster wrote: | Hi all - long time lurker first time poster.
I'm 28, aerospace engineer at BAE,
Got the bug a year ago after riding pillion on my mates zzr in ride the lights down Bpool front. I bought a CB650F the next day, brand new, with a free DAS course the main reason. Can't ride the bike off the forecourt until i have my full license however
Been riding about 6 months, after passing my CBT and theory a year ago.
Long story short he gave me a J reg CG125 to learn on, with the premise that if i fix it i can use it then give it back to him. The electrics were mangled so i left it with a mate who worked at a local garage to get fixed. 5 months later - yes 5 months later i had the bike fixed and ready. (dont even ask)
Never having ridden a bike before I (stupily i guess) decided to book my DAS course after only riding the CG 2 weekends.
loved the rides out on day 1. slow manouvres on day 2 were iffy, would not get the hang of the fig 8 on the bigger bike (600 gladius).
day 3 was Mod1 - didnt even make it past the slalom - went too slow, stalled and 'placed' the bike down on a cone. test over. shock to me as i'd passed car test first time with only 2 lessons at 17.
waiting time for mod 1 is ~1 month,
2nd Mod 1 - stalled twice on the fig 8, but determined not to drop the bike i made it round (having the fight the bike upright sometimes! must have been quite a sight). Went wide on the u-turn. rest of the test perfect.
3rd mod1- booked an hour of practise the day before, as well as an hour before the test... went perfectly, did mock test 4 times in a row no problem.
test - didnt have my license as it hadnt been returned form the police for a speeding offence (id sent it off after my last mod 1 over 7 weeks previous!!) completely forgot as my license is *always* in my wallet lost my £100 fee for test + bike hire
4th mod 1- knocked last cone over on the slalom, head went and did the fig8 super tight. dropped the bike on the last bit of it. test over
5th mod1 - booked an hour the day before - dropped the bike during practise. test - instructor had told me id need to pay for the damage i had caused to the bike yesterday ~£100 for a new clutch handle and rear brake light case, not good prep! only fault on the test was ever so slightly wide on the u-turn. fuming to say the least (still my fault i know)
6th Mod1 - pass! minor for a missed lifesaver on the u-turn i think
my main problem was the time in between tests - over a month sometimes 8-10 weeks in between tests. Really hard to get used to a big bike when u cant really ride it apart from (expensive) lessons. (for my car test id gone our everyday with my dad). the CG i had of my mate was pretty diabolical tbh, very beat up and unable to use at night due to very dodgy electronics (headlight dodgy as feck!).
Slow speed manouevring with the bike was so much different to the 125, was very hard to change ur emphasis when the weight of the bike is probably 3 times heavier!
Never had any problem with the cornering or swerve, passed first time every time on the ones i made it to!
Mod 2 training is on sat and test is on weds - im quietly confident of a first time pass - been driving 10 years and quite confident on the road.
For anyone else reading who's feeling dissheartened with Mod1 fails - dont give up! if it wasnt for my instructor telling me i was a decent rider and he was baffled why i kept failing i wouldnt have done my 6th! well, 5th actual attempt!
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You have a good job so I'm not entirely sure why, if you were having so much trouble, you didn't just spend a grand on a 125 and practice all this shit until you could do it blindfolded with all the slow manoeuvre dimensions halved. Quite what the fuck you pissed about with that CG for is beyond me.
After the first month you should've written it off as a stupid idea and bought something off ebay or gumtree. Next you should've sussed out what the Mod 1 course is and set it out on a deserted industrial estate car park and got on with practicing. You could've been done and dusted with this shit aeons ago.
Everyone just thinks yeah riding a bike - piss easy. And for some, that's true. But for a lot, it's not. And more incremental steps are necessary. Except nobody has the sense to admit this to themselves because, well, ego. Typical ego bullshit. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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You probably have a bit of an adaptability issue going on, but nothing serious. It may sound crazy, but gymnastics and/or martial arts training may help. The more body awareness you have, the more body control you can develop. This is a matter separate from obtaining objects of desire in your life, such as the new 650 bike you bought.
Here's a quote from a book called Foundations and Applications of Indian Psychology by Cornelissen, Varma and Misra about the stages a Buddhist monk is supposed to pass through, and the limitations that continue to constrain him because of the level, or ground ('bhumi'), he has attained so far:
"Though an Arhat has achieved freedom from the veil of afflictions (kleśāvaraṇa), the veil of knowables (jñeyāvaraṇa) is still present."
This, perhaps, sums up the condition of wanting and having, but not being able to take full advantage of a thing. We might also compare it with the condition of arhathood in one of the Tantric Buddhist traditions, in which you cannot attain enlightenment without a 'goddess', but unless you are man enough to know how to 'use' that goddess, the goddess is of no use to you. It's therefore encumbant on the aspirant to learn to be a man first, before he can enter the 'stream' and use the technique of 'manly work' with a goddess to achieve greater aims. Otherwise, he might as well be a hungry ghost smelling and slavering after roasted meats, but not being able to touch them, for want of a human body.
So it may help to take special interest in working out why it took so many attempts to get through Mod 1, by not treating the bike licence as an ultimate goal in itself, but as an object lesson that there is a problem with the expedient you're using - either not being used in the right way or else it has some catching up to do. The levels of the people are all different, in different areas of endeavour. ____________________ Safety in numbers
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Posted: 21:36 - 05 Jan 2017 Post subject: Re: Hello! My story 'til now - perseverance! |
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AshWebster wrote: | aerospace engineer at BAE [...] 5 months later i had the bike fixed and ready. |
God help us all if the Argies read this thread.
AshWebster wrote: | 600 gladius |
650. Wait, wasn't Tef...
How many quarter turns in a circle?
Eh, good on you for sticking with it, and don't let it worry you that you kept dropping a famously easy-to-handle girl's bike. If the dealer hasn't sold "your" CB650F to someone else yet, you might want to get some crash bungs put on it though.
Welcome to BCF. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Mod 1's the tricky bit (inb4 bodyguard) but had you had experience on a 125 the whole stalling/falling over thing probably wouldn't have happened. Kinda surprised stalling was an issue actually, I had only just passed my driving test when I started riding but I probably stalled twice in the first year of riding.
Anyway good luck for Mod 2, at least you haven't given up |
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I'm no expert but it sounds like you've gone about this completely the wrong way round - which surprises me for an engineer!
Get the skills by practice, experience by practice, practice the tests, practice on a cheap bike that can be damaged, and when you've finally got what you need to ride a big bike - buy a big bike, then there's that word again - practice.
I'm sure things are different now, but I started off commuting on a 50cc moped using my car licence for 6 months looking like an utter numpty, then did my CBT on a 125 and bought a crappy 125 and commuted for 6 months getting friendly with the local breakdown. Got more used to it and then bought a newer 125 that didn't breakdown all the time. Did my 33bhp limited test, then got a more powerful 33bhp bike and commuted for 2 years. My 33bhp limit then automatically lifted and I got my 900 bike.
I've never failed a test except the one where I was supposed to avoid the horse, not try to take it out.
But then no-one told me I had to practice that too... ____________________ Previous: Aprilia Habana Retro 50cc (beauty), Yamaha SR125 (fell apart), Honda XR125 (nippy little commuter), Honda SLR650 (Geewhizz), Yamaha Diversion 900S (Smoooooth) written off courtesy of a stupid escaped horse.
(7 year gap), BMW F650 (Relaxing ride). Aprilia Caponord ETV1000 (Big and bold). Yamaha FZS600 (got me in trouble too quick!).
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Welcome to the forum!
Nice to see someone local to me on here. Good luck with your MOD2. Like others have said, MOD2 is easier than MOD1. That said, my MOD2 test was at 8:30am ish and the examiner had me ride past about 4 schools. My slow speed control was certainly tested! It was ridiculously cold which didn't help my hands either.
Send me a PM sometime if you fancy a ride out. I usually go out with the lad over the road. You'll have to watch him though, he rides a cruiser so may be partial to a bit of the ghey ____________________ 2004 SV650S >>> 2009 Street Triple R |
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Tawny wrote: | You probably have a bit of an adaptability issue going on, but nothing serious. It may sound crazy, but gymnastics and/or martial arts training may help. The more body awareness you have, the more body control you can develop. This is a matter separate from obtaining objects of desire in your life, such as the new 650 bike you bought.
Here's a quote from a book called Foundations and Applications of Indian Psychology by Cornelissen, Varma and Misra about the stages a Buddhist monk is supposed to pass through, and the limitations that continue to constrain him because of the level, or ground ('bhumi'), he has attained so far:
"Though an Arhat has achieved freedom from the veil of afflictions (kleśāvaraṇa), the veil of knowables (jñeyāvaraṇa) is still present."
This, perhaps, sums up the condition of wanting and having, but not being able to take full advantage of a thing. We might also compare it with the condition of arhathood in one of the Tantric Buddhist traditions, in which you cannot attain enlightenment without a 'goddess', but unless you are man enough to know how to 'use' that goddess, the goddess is of no use to you. It's therefore encumbant on the aspirant to learn to be a man first, before he can enter the 'stream' and use the technique of 'manly work' with a goddess to achieve greater aims. Otherwise, he might as well be a hungry ghost smelling and slavering after roasted meats, but not being able to touch them, for want of a human body.
So it may help to take special interest in working out why it took so many attempts to get through Mod 1, by not treating the bike licence as an ultimate goal in itself, but as an object lesson that there is a problem with the expedient you're using - either not being used in the right way or else it has some catching up to do. The levels of the people are all different, in different areas of endeavour. |
What the fuck was all that about? Thought I ended up on hippychatforums or something... ____________________ 1993 Kawasaki AR50 (In bits) - 1984 Suzuki GP125 (Sold, but still ridden) - 1954 Matchless G3L (Being restored) - 2007 Suzuki Bandit 650 |
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pudder wrote: | Tawny wrote: | You probably have a bit of an adaptability issue going on, but nothing serious. It may sound crazy, but gymnastics and/or martial arts training may help. The more body awareness you have, the more body control you can develop. This is a matter separate from obtaining objects of desire in your life, such as the new 650 bike you bought.
Here's a quote from a book called Foundations and Applications of Indian Psychology by Cornelissen, Varma and Misra about the stages a Buddhist monk is supposed to pass through, and the limitations that continue to constrain him because of the level, or ground ('bhumi'), he has attained so far:
"Though an Arhat has achieved freedom from the veil of afflictions (kleśāvaraṇa), the veil of knowables (jñeyāvaraṇa) is still present."
This, perhaps, sums up the condition of wanting and having, but not being able to take full advantage of a thing. We might also compare it with the condition of arhathood in one of the Tantric Buddhist traditions, in which you cannot attain enlightenment without a 'goddess', but unless you are man enough to know how to 'use' that goddess, the goddess is of no use to you. It's therefore encumbant on the aspirant to learn to be a man first, before he can enter the 'stream' and use the technique of 'manly work' with a goddess to achieve greater aims. Otherwise, he might as well be a hungry ghost smelling and slavering after roasted meats, but not being able to touch them, for want of a human body.
So it may help to take special interest in working out why it took so many attempts to get through Mod 1, by not treating the bike licence as an ultimate goal in itself, but as an object lesson that there is a problem with the expedient you're using - either not being used in the right way or else it has some catching up to do. The levels of the people are all different, in different areas of endeavour. |
What the fuck was all that about? Thought I ended up on hippychatforums or something... |
I've never seen Tawny and Dr Quack in the same room at the same time... |
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It's just a title based on your number of posts. There does seem to be a fair amount of crossover of Scooby drivers and bikers though.
Do you mean that it's got a 180kph speedo, or that it's got a red tow strap hanging off it? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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