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Will they really keep the Speed on, alongside a larger Striple, d'ya think? I mean, in its current guise? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Alex A wrote: | chickenstrip wrote: | Will they really keep the Speed on, alongside a larger Striple, d'ya think? I mean, in its current guise? |
I doubt it's going anywhere anytime soon. They made the effort to overhaul it and make it EURO4 compliant last year. They need to redeem that investment, and will sell it so long as the sales numbers make it worthwhile. Also:
- It's physically much bigger than the Street. Some people like that.
- It still has almost 300cc on the Street, which means it offers much more torque, and doesn't NEED to be worked hard. Some people like that.
- It has a single sided swingarm. Some people like that.
- It's a very long standing model for Hinckley Triumph - much longer than the Street. I can't see Triumph culling it before EURO5 (2020?) at the earliest, and probably not then. |
You talking to me?
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stevo as b4 wrote: | So it's win win then, except for the slight blunting of performance and low down shove to meet Euro 4 then? |
Depends how well it's been engineered. Difficult to say for sure until it's been Dyno and road tested side by side with the old model.
Quote: | The above could almost certainly be eliminated with a non road legal de-cat pipe and loud silencer and some richer non cat friendly fuel mapping, maybe with a more aggressive ignition advance curve too? |
Almost certainly.
Quote: | So why do some moan about a bigger engine possibly making the bike less fun/nimble/agile then? |
I expected that more capacity + EURO4 would result in a substantially heavier bike. According to Triumph, it's actually lighter than the old model. That doesn't mean it will handle the same as the old one, but since the chassis looks to be subtly improved, and it's lighter overall, then I'm optimistic. Again, time will tell.
Quote: | Or is it a case of if the bike moves towards 800cc that it puts it closer to the litre performance naked bike market both on price and power, so those people would rather shell out the extra for a Tuono etc, than have an 800cc halfway house compromise? |
I think there's too much of a focus on the capacity figure. There's still a 40-60bhp peak power deficit to the leading superbike-derived naked bikes. It's not nearly in the same class.
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In case you missed it, or just ignoring it
vice wrote: | Alex A wrote: |
This isn't a 1000cc+ twin. It really doesn't need a slipper clutch, or a blip. Bang it down, release the clutch (progressively or abruptly as required), and use the engine braking. You'd have to really abuse it to break traction. Or clutchless shift. It's not as smooth as a quickshifter/auto-blipper, but it's really quite slick on the 675.
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Oh wow, look at that, both R and RS have slip assist...
Also I took your shitty advice as I thought I may be being over cautious and under estimating the bikes ability, banged it down a gear without a blip, released clutch fairly slowly and guess what? Back wheel jumped, real fucking surprise! |
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The shitty advice bit was more of a statement than a question. I'll continue blip on downshifts to match revs unless there's a slipper as I did before, but thanks anyway.
I just wanted to hear your invaluable opinion on the slip assist that Triumph decided to add to a bike that so obviously didn't need it
yeah thought as much, obviously just marketing for sure, obviously not a requirement for some riders at all ____________________ Observation is the greatest source of wisdom. |
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Well mine's plenty quick enough to 100 with its measly 107bhp. Anything over that and it feels like my head is about to be torn off so moar powweeerr wouldn't be a benefit to me! ____________________ 2004 SV650S >>> 2009 Street Triple R |
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stevo as b4 wrote: | But if say a Tuono V4 with its 40-50bhp more than the Street triple, could not even hope to hang on to one through the corners or on a tight track, then would it still be a good bike?
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There is only one criteria in deciding what is a good bike (competition aside). Do you enjoy riding it?
Imho, of course. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I had a bike once with 48ibft and used a V-twin 1000cc for a while after that had maybe 65-70ibft. Both were powerful enough for me, had enough drive and would go fast, and way faster than my usual up to 80/85mph max riding style I've always had. The bike with 48ibft was quicker at the top end however, and is the only road bike in the last 18years I've gone over 100mph on. Matt B has one I think too.
But though people saying they like what they like is their justification for all sorts of things, I'm struggling a bit to see what's definitively good and worth praising, and what's not to an extent.
Alex A, has made a great case for the new Triumph STR to be a really good naked bike, if a fun/nimble and sharp/ light machine with just enough and a bit more performance is what your after. It sounds logical and reasonable to me too.
There's some moaning about the Triumph only being an 800cc or indeed because of it being bigger than before. Yet new Euro laws aside it seems that it can only be a better bike than the last one?
I guess if I was after a great handling modern naked bike that's a bucket of fun, I'd like one myself too.
But seeing as it's much cheaper than the litre nakeds like the Tuono with massively more power and torque, and probably no better handling at best, I just wondered if these big bikes are as good? Or more or less important and relevant compared to a bike like the Triumph?
Say Matt B likes naked bikes with over 100ibft, and Chickenstrip liking 160-180bhp naked bikes, how many others think that way, compared to the tick nearly all the box's for most people Triumph? How many of the above people wanting these quite specific but not necessarily better requirements does it take for manufacturers to start building and selling them?
Or are they in an automatic arms race to make naked superbikes to chase each others machinery, irrespective of how many people out there want them or want to pay for them.
Someone on here said they see no point in a naked bike at all if you can have the same kind of bike with a fairing instead. I don't fully agree with that, and I'm not actually against big power naked bikes as specials or one off owner builds for fun etc. But is there a big market in the UK in 2017 for naked versions of litre sports bikes like the Aprilia or BMW 1000's, and do they sell anything like as well as the sportsbike versions?
I do still struggle a bit to understand who is buying these bikes new and why they want them, and what they are so good for compared to both the superbike versions and the ideal compromise sports nakeds like the Street. |
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stevo as b4 wrote: |
Say Matt B likes naked bikes with over 100ibft, and Chickenstrip liking 160-180bhp naked bikes |
What I like is great big dollops of shove where I can utilise it on the road. I'll leave the technical arguments about torque and power to others, but it seems to me you need quite a bit of both and suitable gearing to get that.
My old turbo had that. The Fazer has it. I'd have more too, if I could afford it. In fact, I'm beginning to think more and more that the MT10 would be the next logical step for me, ugly though I think it is, although I think I'm slowly getting used to the look (the Fazer also has many everyday practical aspects I'd be sorry to lose though).
stevo as b4 wrote: | Or are they in an automatic arms race to make naked superbikes to chase each others machinery, irrespective of how many people out there want them or want to pay for them. |
Haven't they always been? It's called competition, and is what drives innovation.
stevo as b4 wrote: | Someone on here said they see no point in a naked bike at all if you can have the same kind of bike with a fairing instead. |
Yeah, naked isn't the right word for me. Another reason I love the Fazer I suppose. It has a fairly effective fairing, but also much of the character, looks-wise, of a naked. Jeez, why hasn't everyone got a Fazer thou? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 98 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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