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Posted: 18:28 - 16 Jan 2017 Post subject: |
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Rogerborg wrote: | I believe that none of the bollocks applies to MSVA and small-volume manufacturers. |
That would be just if so.
I agree, the problem is the registration plate. The challenge would be to get an old bike registered as a newer one, via a loophole.
What I was thinking was, find that perfect 80s bike I always wanted, do something not too harmful to the frame so I can make legitimate claim to it being an amateur-built vehicle, then, should the need (never the desire) ever take me to ride into London, I won't be caught out by ULEZ. The crux is whether the MSVA process will apply the Euro 4 emissions test or the pre-1975(?) one they do for kit cars.
The MSVA manual just says 4.5% CO at idle, that the idle speed has to be no faster than 'normal', and there should be no visible blue smoke. This seems to be fairly similar to the requirements for old kit cars.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/366046/msva-manual.pdf
If this is a feasible avenue, I don't envisage the people most affected by ULEZ (Londoners) would bother with doing this. I think they would be too busy shopping at IKEA and would find it easier to hire-purchase a new bike, as is their habit. It would be just a few enthusiasts who would benefit. ____________________ Safety in numbers |
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Posted: 18:39 - 16 Jan 2017 Post subject: |
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Royal Enfield have done their update, but oy vey, those prices...
https://www.motoroids.com/news/2017-royal-enfield-classic-500-bullet-500-now-get-abs-rear-disc-brake/ ____________________ Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
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Previously : CB100N > CB250RS > XJ900F > GT550 > GPZ750R/1000RX > AJS M16 > R100RT > Bullet 500 > CB500 > LS650P > Bullet Electra X & YBR125 > Bullet 350 "Superstar" & YBR125 Custom > Royal Enfield Classic 500 Despatch Limited Edition (28 of 200) & CB Two-Fifty Nighthawk > ER5 |
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Posted: 10:24 - 17 Jan 2017 Post subject: |
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I assume that's a typo. Those prices are all over the place, and I doubt that a legit Euro 4 Bullet 500 could still be £4K, given Sterling's slump. Or it could be a "I'll come back when you have none" price.
Oh, I also assume that "now available" means "Sanjev, it's 2017, so lash something up on that batch of bikes, will you? No, don't worry, just throw on any old components and say it's Euro 4, we'll get Arjun in R&D to start thinking about how to do it properly later." ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 17:19 - 23 Feb 2017 Post subject: |
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Yamaha belatedly announce their Euro4 commuter, the YS125:
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/february/yamaha-ys125-launched/
https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/yamaha-reveals-new-125-commuter (kick start? Where?)
Combined braking rather than ABS, available for £2800 of your Brexit pounds, possibly + OTR, mid-March.
Looks like something Lexmoto would punt out the door. It's lost its rear luggage rack in favour of grab handles, for all those times you want to carry a pillion rather than a chain.
It's not exactly rocking my world, but at least they've come up with something while Honda seem to be twiddling their thumbs. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 23:04 - 23 Feb 2017 Post subject: |
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They're not saying, and every fraction counts. I'm sure they'll say that it's up on torque, which is great most of the time on anything bigger than a 125, but little comfort when you run out of puff at 55 on the bypass with Audiman up your chuff. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 23:22 - 28 Feb 2017 Post subject: |
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Tech-spec is up:
https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/products/motorcycles/urban-mobility/ys125.aspx?view=featurestechspecs
7.8 kW @ 7,500 rpm =~ 10.5hp
10.8 Nm @ 6,000 rpm
So, pretty much identical to the outgoing CB125F, i.e. a bit shit.
Bennetts - ironically now the best source for bike news - claims an RRP of £3K. There's no price shown on the Yamaha site, and I expect they haven't really decided yet, and are waiting to see if Honda let anything slip.
https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2017/february/2017-yamaha-ys125
Oooh, an "eco indicator" though, because you won't be ragging it everywhere. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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I've been looking into registering a 17 plate MonkeyBike as everything around now has been pre registered due to the Eurobollocks panicking of course. Anyway, apparently getting one SVA'd will be just fine despite it not having any of the Eurobollocks shit.
Not sure why I want a MonkeyBike anyway ____________________ I want your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle.
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I was reading about the Yam Mt-07 yesterday.
So y'know this tiered licensing malarkey? How you can have a restricted power licence 35 kW (or whatever) and then after a couple of years, go for big boy test and ride full powaaah?
Well the A2 friendly MT-07 has a DIFFERENT ECU and a smaller intake, which, due to the anti-tamper rulz, you CANNOT remove to derestrict the bike once you've attained the full licence*. You would need to buy another MT07, but the full power version.
If this is the trend, thanks to EU, will manufacturers just now look to make bikes that are naturally <35kW, not <70 kW so they can be restricted?
*My source was MCN. ____________________ I'm Sam; Northern, Ginger, Lover
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stinkwheel wrote: | Rogerborg wrote: |
Oooh, an "eco indicator" though, because you won't be ragging it everywhere. |
Jawa had those in 1985. |
It is worth noting though, that even when brand new, the rev counters always showed the value with the needle going back and forth by 500 to 700 rpm (sometimes even worse), so getting inside the 2,900 to 3,900rpm green zone wasn't that easy.
Maybe the UK spec bikes were built better, but I doubt it. The needle of the rev counter, speedometer as well, was always all over the place when trying to suggest what revs/speed the crankshaft / you're actualy going. Skoda cars (the 120 onwards), if equiped with a rev counter, also had this green zone and also had trouble to show the actual value.
But you weren't cool, unless you had the Progress meter...
*Measures the vacuum in the intake, basically telling you how much you step on the accelerator. A economy gauge of some sort.
https://img.skoda-virt.cz/forum_upload/2006/09/02/7_6_36223__2006-09-02_17-08-17_89.JPG ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Fuel used = revs * throttle, so a real economy figure needs to know both.
Sadly, for 125s you need both revs and throttle to make any sort of progress, so I imagine the economy meter is more of a "travelling / not travelling" display. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Mmm hmm. And with manufacturers not knowing whether they need to go for dry or wet weight to pacify every Euro satrapy, we've got the 35kW / ~200kg CB500.
It probably is a do-anything bike. If you could only have one bike, ever, it would be reasonable choice. But it's just that, reasonable. It's neither light, nor powerful. It's precisely as much fun as it's allowed to be, by a boring bureaucrat in the bowels of Brussels. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 10:05 - 08 Mar 2017 Post subject: Re: Anti-News: deafening silence on Euro4 bikes |
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Rogerborg wrote: | Just thought I'd note that neither Honda nor Yamaha seem to have announced a Eurobollocks compliant replacement for the CB125F, MSX, YBR125 or their other existing models. At a minimum, they'll need discs front and rear in order to have ABS or (more likely) combined braking, as well as the rest of the Bollocks (Euro 4, OBD, Nanny Chips, anti-tamper).
Likewise, most of Lexmoto's currently advertised range is still pre-Bollocks [UPDATE - looks like they did a massive pre-registration]. WK, Sinnis, and the rest too. Suzuki's Van Van is fit for the Skip Skip.
Anything over 125 needs ABS, right now, plus OBD. The few A2 bikes need anti-tamper. Everything, without exception, needs to be Euro 4 emissions compliant.
As usual, there's not a word on MCN or VisorDown. Yes, some pre-Bollocks bikes can still be registered and sold, but not a huge amount, and not indefinitely. Given the inertia and ignorance in the industry, I expect it will come as a big surprise to some dealers and importers when the DVLA eventually start knocking back new registrations.
Then what?
Has anyone heard anything about any major manufacturer's - actually, any manufacturer's - plans for getting rid of their stock, and switching to fully EuroBollocks compliant bikes? I've not heard a squeak, other than Lexmoto saying that they've had problems sourcing any. |
Whoa boy! 125s are not over 125, they are at most 124! |
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talkToTheHat wrote: | RhynoCZ wrote: |
But you weren't cool, unless you had the Progress meter...
*Measures the vacuum in the intake, basically telling you how much you step on the accelerator. A economy gauge of some sort. |
Does that one also have a needle that bounces back and forth? From the days of owning a badly behaved twin I came to love getting a pair of vacuum gauges to bounce by a similar amount over a similar range...
I think what one really needs on a high-tech bike is several gauges loosely coupled to barely relevant engine performance indicators by noise generators. |
This is the only ''feature'' I've never seen in action, but I do believe it's as accurate as the rest of the cluster, the needles bouncing all over the place.
A friend of mine (55 y.o. now) told me, how they used to put a TURBO sticker on it, or even changed the decal for a one that said TURBO, to have some fun. He would swear his car was faster with this ''Turbo'' gauge. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Posted: 15:22 - 23 Mar 2017 Post subject: |
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Holy thread revival.
Popped into ze bike shop and had a Euro 4 section with about three or four bikes in. Only managed to snap a picture of the caliper since by the time I'd figure it as something to do while waiting the bill was ready and I left.
Quite a big caliper was about all that came to mind. Had a nice see through brake resivour (auto correct fails me) but other than that looked about average. This was on the venom or a version thereof.
Bike shop was almost empty compared to normal in terms of import brands sitting beside one another all the way up the wall from the door.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 34 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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