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chris-red Have you considered a TDM?
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davethekwak Nitrous Nuisance
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha World Chat Champion
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Fwiw I think stinkwheel made some v. good points, as have others.
One thing I really liked about that video - the little wave. Probably not the best thing to do after you just gone wide into on-coming traffic - however, when you get more confident, and especially when you ride bigger bikes (and you're overtaking), a little gesture like that really can serve to diffuse a lot of red mist and resentment on the part of other drivers. I almost always just give a quick wave after passing, and unless evasive action's required, after any slight incident that might've even vaguely inconvenienced someone else. It really does sweeten stuff and disarm people.
The reason I'm pretty adamant about this is because it's not that long ago since I had only a car license - and when a someone on a bike would suddenly be alongside, and back in, it often seemed like the smoothest and fastest riders would offer up a quick wave. I was always impressed by that and thought they looked like they knew a shitload more about what was going on in front, behind and all around. And probably did! Very cool, basically. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha World Chat Champion
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kgm World Chat Champion
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Most of us have fixated and ran wide at some point, I wouldn't stress about it. You're looking to learn from it which is good.
I don't have much to add over what has already been said. Positive throttle and look where you want the bike to go. Keep away from the brakes and clutch during the turn. Position should be for the best possible view around the bend, giving care to the road surface. This will generally mean you'll start at the outside of the bend and stay there until you have sight of the apex and then you can bring it in a bit. Many new riders make the mistake of cutting in and 'apexing' too early which means you end up running a little wide, especially if the bend tightens half way round.
If money isn't an issue I would suggest getting on to doing your DAS. The instruction received during it will be valuable rather than trying to learn by making your own mistakes. You can still ride your 125 once you pass if you wish.
Also try and find a copy Twist of the Wrist II by Keith Code - there's a video and a book. It will explain about survival reactions and counter steering, etc. It's definitely helpful but might be information overload at this stage so just take what you can from it. This guy positions fairly sensibly. |
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mrmistoffelee... Nova Slayer
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meggark wrote: | Most of us have fixated and ran wide at some point, I wouldn't stress about it. You're looking to learn from it which is good.
I don't have much to add over what has already been said. Positive throttle and look where you want the bike to go. Keep away from the brakes and clutch during the turn. Position should be for the best possible view around the bend, giving care to the road surface. This will generally mean you'll start at the outside of the bend and stay there until you have sight of the apex and then you can bring it in a bit. Many new riders make the mistake of cutting in and 'apexing' too early which means you end up running a little wide, especially if the bend tightens half way round.
If money isn't an issue I would suggest getting on to doing your DAS. The instruction received during it will be valuable rather than trying to learn by making your own mistakes. You can still ride your 125 once you pass if you wish.
Also try and find a copy Twist of the Wrist II by Keith Code - there's a video and a book. It will explain about survival reactions and counter steering, etc. It's definitely helpful but might be information overload at this stage so just take what you can from it. This guy positions fairly sensibly. |
+1 on twist of the wrist 2 it makes some very interesting points which i intend to put into practice (if you can stomach the atrocious acting) the full video is on YouTube
In my very limited riding experience 1yr I can only echo what others of said.
1) Bus spooked you on approach
2) Target fixation/not looking where you want to go
I've made mistakes like that as I'm sure everyone has i still make mistakes as I'm still a complete novice experience wise.
Hopefully you're not beating yourself up about it, enjoy riding |
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Pretty good, but look at https://youtu.be/3niqkN4u22I?t=111 approaching a bend on a hill. He adjusts his speed to the bend that he can see, and to what he "knows" is over the hill, leaving himself no margin for stopping or swerving if there's a kitten driving a tractor where he can't see it.
This is the most common do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do that I see with "advanced" riders. To his credit, he picks himself up on it just down the road at the next crest.
The local IAM did this repeatedly when I went on a ride with them. Sadly, my copy of Roadcraft didn't come with the set of X-Ray Specs that let you look through hills.
The relevance is to this thread is that it's better to be Careful Now than Potato Tomorrow. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Dave_80 Renault 5 Driver
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matthews1892 Derestricted Danger
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Many thanks once again for all the really good replies, i really do appreciate it. i will have a look at the links/videos posted. and i will be going out tomorrow all day and try to practice tight corners/u-turns/clutch control. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 77 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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