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chris-red
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edinho wrote:
You are going way too fast for that corner. The ground is wet and slippery there is not way i'd approach that corner at that speed on my 125.

You were lucky not to be off.



Bollocks.

I could have comfortable gone round that corner at that speed. I reckon I could go round it twice as fast has he did without too much trouble.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Edinho wrote:
You are going way too fast for that corner. The ground is wet and slippery there is not way i'd approach that corner at that speed on my 125.

You were lucky not to be off.



Bollocks.

I could have comfortable gone round that corner at that speed. I reckon I could go round it twice as fast has he did without too much trouble.

Have to agree with chris. I could have taken that at nearer 30mph on my 18year old 600. My son rode rings round me on slow corners on his 125.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fwiw I think stinkwheel made some v. good points, as have others.

One thing I really liked about that video - the little wave. Probably not the best thing to do after you just gone wide into on-coming traffic - however, when you get more confident, and especially when you ride bigger bikes (and you're overtaking), a little gesture like that really can serve to diffuse a lot of red mist and resentment on the part of other drivers. I almost always just give a quick wave after passing, and unless evasive action's required, after any slight incident that might've even vaguely inconvenienced someone else. It really does sweeten stuff and disarm people.

The reason I'm pretty adamant about this is because it's not that long ago since I had only a car license - and when a someone on a bike would suddenly be alongside, and back in, it often seemed like the smoothest and fastest riders would offer up a quick wave. I was always impressed by that and thought they looked like they knew a shitload more about what was going on in front, behind and all around. And probably did! Very cool, basically.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

onlyJaz wrote:
I've been riding 4-ish months now so I can totally relate to your concerns as I've been there myself at the start (even now I'm still learning new things).


"Even now" - 4 months isn't much. I've been riding 4 years (doing about 12k a year - on and off road) and don't consider that very long, and more importantly, if I felt there was ever a time when I'd stopped learning, I'd be tempted to give up. That's not me being sanctimonious - it really is just how I feel. If you don't, or won't - fair play.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of us have fixated and ran wide at some point, I wouldn't stress about it. You're looking to learn from it which is good.

I don't have much to add over what has already been said. Positive throttle and look where you want the bike to go. Keep away from the brakes and clutch during the turn. Position should be for the best possible view around the bend, giving care to the road surface. This will generally mean you'll start at the outside of the bend and stay there until you have sight of the apex and then you can bring it in a bit. Many new riders make the mistake of cutting in and 'apexing' too early which means you end up running a little wide, especially if the bend tightens half way round.

If money isn't an issue I would suggest getting on to doing your DAS. The instruction received during it will be valuable rather than trying to learn by making your own mistakes. You can still ride your 125 once you pass if you wish.

Also try and find a copy Twist of the Wrist II by Keith Code - there's a video and a book. It will explain about survival reactions and counter steering, etc. It's definitely helpful but might be information overload at this stage so just take what you can from it. This guy positions fairly sensibly.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

meggark wrote:
Most of us have fixated and ran wide at some point, I wouldn't stress about it. You're looking to learn from it which is good.

I don't have much to add over what has already been said. Positive throttle and look where you want the bike to go. Keep away from the brakes and clutch during the turn. Position should be for the best possible view around the bend, giving care to the road surface. This will generally mean you'll start at the outside of the bend and stay there until you have sight of the apex and then you can bring it in a bit. Many new riders make the mistake of cutting in and 'apexing' too early which means you end up running a little wide, especially if the bend tightens half way round.

If money isn't an issue I would suggest getting on to doing your DAS. The instruction received during it will be valuable rather than trying to learn by making your own mistakes. You can still ride your 125 once you pass if you wish.

Also try and find a copy Twist of the Wrist II by Keith Code - there's a video and a book. It will explain about survival reactions and counter steering, etc. It's definitely helpful but might be information overload at this stage so just take what you can from it. This guy positions fairly sensibly.


+1 on twist of the wrist 2 it makes some very interesting points which i intend to put into practice (if you can stomach the atrocious acting) the full video is on YouTube

In my very limited riding experience 1yr I can only echo what others of said.

1) Bus spooked you on approach
2) Target fixation/not looking where you want to go

I've made mistakes like that as I'm sure everyone has i still make mistakes as I'm still a complete novice experience wise.

Hopefully you're not beating yourself up about it, enjoy riding
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

meggark wrote:

Pretty good, but look at https://youtu.be/3niqkN4u22I?t=111 approaching a bend on a hill. He adjusts his speed to the bend that he can see, and to what he "knows" is over the hill, leaving himself no margin for stopping or swerving if there's a kitten driving a tractor where he can't see it.

This is the most common do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do that I see with "advanced" riders. To his credit, he picks himself up on it just down the road at the next crest.

The local IAM did this repeatedly when I went on a ride with them. Sadly, my copy of Roadcraft didn't come with the set of X-Ray Specs that let you look through hills. Sad

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PostPosted: 17:46 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say go and book a couple of lessons and learn anything you're unsure of,maybe do a full course.

Definitely find a car park and practice things that you know need work,it can feel a bit weird at first getting used to the fact the bike will go where you look but it will!

Look for videos on YouTube that give riding advice as these were a big help when going through my test.

Good luck,stay safe.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many thanks once again for all the really good replies, i really do appreciate it. i will have a look at the links/videos posted. and i will be going out tomorrow all day and try to practice tight corners/u-turns/clutch control. Smile
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no substitute for practise
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

B0ndy wrote:
There is no substitute for practise

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PostPosted: 21:58 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to laugh at the 'wave'
Not knocking good manners, be polite by all means
but get out of trouble first.

Not too fast IMO, just looked like tension, target fixation, inexperience and all that.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 09 Feb 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
I had to laugh at the 'wave'
Not knocking good manners, be polite by all means
but get out of trouble first.

Courtesy is all that separates us from the animals/foreigners.

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