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Can you show us the link source rather than the selective screen grab photo?
I'm sure it'll be impartial. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Quote: | The problem is that expectations about working conditions/incentives have been raised unrealistically so that even low Wattage Lumen Brit brains think that anything that won't pay for the finance on at least an A3 is for mugs, innit. |
Mmm.
But it is for mugs, no? Seems pretty daft to work for a crap wage to me. Not sure why people do it. I tend to think it's because they're mugs.
Quite useful that they do, though. Would be a pain if everything I bought cost about 5x as much.
Sometimes I think I'm living in some sort of stage performance. No, I'm pretty sure I am. Manager Bob pays Lackey Dave 1/5th his own salary and thinks 'cheers mate, dunno what I'd do without you'. Indeed.
Then again, same thing all the way up the scale. Bossman wouldn't get out of bed for Manager's wage.
So what are the correct expectations and why? Does it even matter?
The problem, if there is one, is that our continued existence is basically reliant on unemployment as a stick. If you fix it then everyone can suddenly demand a decent wage and it's not a decent wage any more because you can't pay the lessers to do stuff for you.
So we have unemployment as a stick and bennies to stop the riots and it mostly works if you're a winner.
No, I don't know of a better way to do it either. Seems preferable to the alternative of bashing people with hammers if they don't do what you want. Well, we still do I guess, it's just a bit more indirect. |
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Derivative wrote: | Quote: | The problem is that expectations about working conditions/incentives have been raised unrealistically so that even low Wattage Lumen Brit brains think that anything that won't pay for the finance on at least an A3 is for mugs, innit. |
Mmm.
But it is for mugs, no? Seems pretty daft to work for a crap wage to me. Not sure why people do it. I tend to think it's because they're mugs.
Quite useful that they do, though. Would be a pain if everything I bought cost about 5x as much.
Sometimes I think I'm living in some sort of stage performance. No, I'm pretty sure I am. Manager Bob pays Lackey Dave 1/5th his own salary and thinks 'cheers mate, dunno what I'd do without you'. Indeed.
Then again, same thing all the way up the scale. Bossman wouldn't get out of bed for Manager's wage.
So what are the correct expectations and why? Does it even matter?
The problem, if there is one, is that our continued existence is basically reliant on unemployment as a stick. If you fix it then everyone can suddenly demand a decent wage and it's not a decent wage any more because you can't pay the lessers to do stuff for you.
So we have unemployment as a stick and bennies to stop the riots and it mostly works if you're a winner.
No, I don't know of a better way to do it either. Seems preferable to the alternative of bashing people with hammers if they don't do what you want. Well, we still do I guess, it's just a bit more indirect. |
Maybe some people have self respect and ambition? Everyone has to start somewhere, even if Student Snowflakes think it's going to be £30k, after a degree in American Studies.
What is it you do for money?
Minimum wage for 2 adults in full time work, brings in around £2,500 a month in your pocket, after tax. If you can't live a comfortable life on that, you have no sense of spending. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Oh look, he's peddling the one about the stereotypical two working people.
What if one is raising their children, comfortable on one wage, until it goes tits up and bread winner ends up on the rock and roll?
You never do consider that. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Derivative wrote: | Not sure this works unless apprenticeships actually match University in terms of prestige/career prospects.
If a degree remains the path with highest chance of securing a well paid job, then people are still going to pile in unless you make it inaccessible.
But even then, if you match them, someone has to lose.
I mean, this just comes back to the whole expectations thing. 50% of the population can't be in the top 10%.
How did this work historically? My vague hunch is that University expansion played a part and that the Internet democratised information. Can you go back from that? Do we want to? |
Completely agree, a lot of people have now assumed having a degree is an automatic run in to a cushty job with a nice salary, which we know is not true. In my naivety I beleive I fell in to this, although I did try to get an apprenticeship before going to uni but at the time (around crash time/2008) there were extremely few about, particularly in London where I was. In retrospect I should have left London but that's a big decision when you're 17, and one that never crossed my mind back then.
I think it will go back due to there being too much information now available on the internet. The universties have shot themselves in the foot by increasing fees whilst also putting more and more information about their courses on the internet. The fact that the people they are producing are not up to scratch, hence somebody like Dyson creating his own course to train people, is evidence of this.
I think the issue now is that any chance of a meritocracy based on working hard seems to have disapeared. I have worked a job undertaken at least 15 hours a week since school, even during full time study, it seems highly unlikely I am able to achieve all the 'dreams' that are sold to me by society (another issue we'll ignore for this discussion). I would say I am probably the rule rather than the exception of having jumped through all the hoops and not getting the treat at the end. I think this also plays a role in not wanting to do menial jobs, which I have done, and do not wish to return to. Essentially a feeling of being 'above' them/entitlement I'd agree, but due to having worked hard previously. ____________________ Pictorgraphicalfantastical |
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Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | mpd72 wrote: |
No, the lowest rungs of the ladder is the growing "no intention of working class", such as pretend authors etc...
Over the last few years the minimum wage has been creeping up and the tax threshold has also risen. Take home pay at the lowest scale has risen a lot more than people think.
Unfortunately, employers seem to be using this as an excuse to keep
Labour cheap. We're at a stage where the figure is something like only 45% of households actually pay income tax now.
Those paying income tax are subsidising the tax credit workers income on behalf of the corporate employers. |
It's not though, really. |
We've done this elsewhere and you had to back pedal and deny low inflation prices. You then moved on to pretending fuel had increased twice the national average at your local petrol station.
It was a 15.7% take home pay increase in the last 2 years alone, which you tried to pretend is entirely negated by fuel and rent price increases.
Quote: | Sorry, that's wrong. Between 2015 and 2017 the increase is 15.7% which is quite some pay rise over 2 years with inflation being so low.
Give the Tories some credit, they have actually lowered tax and raised NWM quite a bit lately. Not only has the NMW gone from £6.50 to £7.50 since 2014, the tax threshold has increased from £10,000 to £11,000.
40 hour week, taking into account 2015 NWM at £6.70 and tax allowance at £10,600, and 2017 NMW at £7.50 and tax allowance at £11,000
2015 take home - 12,602
2017 take home - 14,588
2 Adults earning NMW at full time hours in the same household, will bring home £29,000 PA minimum in their pocket, without tax credits. That's over £2,400 a month to live off not including tax credits and other benefits. If they can't do that, there's something wrong.
I know many working households who can live quite comfortably on less. I live on my own and have a perfectly comfortable lifestyle on that amount. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 36 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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