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So... is it still the future? From what I've heard developers are being a bit cagey about support going forward. |
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RhynoCZ wrote: | M.C wrote: | So... is it still the future? |
VR was here before, many times before and always failed. Why should this time be any different? |
Rhyno talking nonsense again
Many times before? Name them? The 'Virtual Boy' doesn't count because it wasn't VR, it was also shit, I know I've tried it. Sega had a bash but never got out of development. This current crop, Oculous, Vive, PSVR etc. are the first consumer VR systems to my knowledge.
If you had tried it, or even looked into it in VR in the slightest you would know they are very good, a quick google shows PSVR getting 5* reviews across the board.
Try to keep you totally uninformed opinions to yourself. ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
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The closes to what you can buy today would be the Forte vfx1 contraption from 1995. Not many games fully suported it. They also, for some reason, didn't make it 3D accelerator friendly and it had some other issues as well, but it was here and it was available.
The technology, the use of 2 separate displays and the 3 button controller were pretty much what the companies in question do today. Well yes, today it's different as Sony put their own money into their contraption but then again, Nintendo tried 3D as well (not the VB) and with mixed results now dropping the 3DS support, to sell more of the Nvidia shield tablets they came up with. Yes ''3D'' is not ''VR''. Well, by the definition of ''VR'' it is though.
3D movie industry also seems to be losing its audience. YET again, 3D films were here many, many times before. Google suggests all started in 1952. Do you remember all the hype around the 3DTv technology not that long ago? Where is it now? It's not the same as VR but it seems like it is in the same area, doesn't it?
Anyway, back on topic. You not even being aware of the vfx1 suggests the company that made it failed hard. The PSVR games I could see were quite the same experience that I had with the xbox kinect. Party games, party games and party games. Why, why and why? Then there was the ugly version of the Driveclub, which was actually worse to play than on a normal LCD screen.
Yes, there are applications where the VR will give you better gaming experience, but the PS4, not even the PS4 Pro, is not powerful enough to give you that. VR on PC is too expensive to even consider it.
Funny you mention the Virtual Boy. I was gonna say the exact same thing in my original post in this thread, but then I decided not to, as it felt redundant to mention.
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3d is not VR you tool
So by many times you meant once. ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
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Monkeypony wrote: | What we do need though, is for developers to get behind the tech and produce games people want to play.
Resi 7 is superb
Farpoint is looking pretty decent and Star Trek: Bridge crew should be pretty decent if you like that sort of think, but I can't think of any other true AAA title scheduled for release before the Autumn.
The PSVR seems to have sold well, and should hopefully get some traction as a VR solution for the masses, but it really needs Sony to through it's weight behind it and produce proper, full length games are going to keep people interested.
Here's hoping! |
There is a new Ace Combat game I'm looking forward too not sure when that is out. I think a lot more will be announced this year, and I imagine a few games in development might convert parts/all to VR.
I think the success was a surprise, I preordered it and was 70% sure I would return it for being crap. I played until dawn first and was blown away. You start on a rollercoaster, there is a bit where the track rises and drops quickly and my stomach lurched I knew it would be a success then. The games will come I think (and hope!).
In it's favour, I think they will be able to turn games around quicker as the most time consuming part of modern AAA games development is the modeling of the graphics. PSVR is a step back in that way it looks like early PS3 graphics (the unit MUST keep 120fps and it drops the quality accordingly to maintain it). ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
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chris-red wrote: | 3d is not VR you tool
So by many times you meant once. |
Define VR, please. Is Virtual Boy VR?
And there were more efforts, all of them failed.
''VR'' compared to kinect, 3DS... all I wanted to say was, that these were also very appraised novelties, that failed hard.
I'm not sure if it's the language barrier or you are just too biased, reading every other sentence of what I say.
You could argue, that today we have more powerful HW to run VR properly, but that would be nearsighted.
Yes PSVR might be here to stay, Sony put money into it. The PC market VR will probably fail hard. HTC vive and Oculus rift being too expensive, requiring very powerful PC hardware to play what exactly? Yet again, the argument here could be, that as the time goes the PCVR and HW required to run the games would become cheaper, BUT that is not the case, is it?
Monkeypony wrote: | Need for more AAA games |
I did my research and Naughty Dog said: VR is not really the direction that we’re headed. PSVR being the only reasonably affordable VR today, that is a sad news, even though their games are exclusively using the third person view. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Technology that tricks the senses into believing the body is a different virtualised environment. Like I said with Until Dawn I felt my stomach drop on the rollercoaster as if I had actually been on it. The sight and sounds made my body think it was actually moving, it was non emotional reflexive action.
I have a game called 'headmaster', in which you have to head footballs, it is fun but I must admit the life span of it was a bit short, it very much falls into the 'party game' area however it was £15 I think so no complaints. My Dad had a go, he was a reasonable footballer in his day. He fluffed a header and the ball went straight up in the air his immediate reaction was to volley it towards the goal. Which was painful has he kicked the coffee table.
When Ronnie O'Sullivan Tried a Pool VR game (Hustle kings or something) he went to take a shot and immediately fell flat on his face has he tried to lean on the table.
That is VR
The virtual Boy is not VR, if you have used one you would know why.
I'm happy to debate VR and if I'm biased it's because I have ACTUALLY used it. My issue is you spouting crap about it with no experience first hand experience in the matter. I'll say it again, try it and them comeback.
The experience of VR bears no resemblance no resemblance to kinnect or 3d films or especially the 3DS.
I can say that because I own a kinect, 3d TV, PSVR, and I have first hand experience playing a 3DS. ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
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Monkeypony wrote: | chris-red wrote: | I should buy RE7 but I'm genuinely scared too, the 'Kitchen' demo shit me up |
You need this game in your life.
Trust me!
It's well paced with the tension and jump scares, so it's not like it full on psychological trauma all the way through!
Although, Having the ability to save as many times as you like has me running back to save points regularly, which kind of reduces the tension a bit. I'd have rather they'd gone back to the old ink ribbon system to up the fear of death a bit. |
I loved RE up to Veronica, 4 was a good game, but IMO not Resident Evil, it would have been just as good as a new Franchise. 5 was OK, but still didn't feel like Resident Evil. 6 was awful.
7 looks great but again not what I think RE should be. I want to play it I'll probably give it ago once I've finished a few other games. I bought Ride 2 at the Weekend for £20 with all the DLC. It's not bad, things aren't believable but it is still fun. ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
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its okay, HDR will go away, again, again, again. the source engine used it back in the demo for HL2 (think it was called lost coast or something). don't think it was used in the final release of HL2.
HDR struggles in the place it works best - photography. exposure merging has mostly replaced it. part of the reason it does not seem to persist is that every frame needs to be processed 3 times (at least), so to get 30FPS, you need the game to run at 90FPS. or 180FPS to get 60FPS. now consider the fact that most games struggle to run 30FPS, asking them to run 3 times as much in the same time is a big, big ask when combined with the increase in detail and resolution. For all the advertised extra power of the PS4 Pro, is not actually that powerful at just 4.2 teraflops - my PC had that 9 years ago
VR has been around since the 80s, just like 3D were you get to where stupid glasses. they died out then, the latest version of 3D is already all but dead. I am pretty sure the VR will go the same way.
its also worth noting that the PS4 pro does not actually have a 4K Blu-ray drive. which can be argued is a handicap. ____________________ Current rides - 2016 Triumph Street Triple Rx, 1994 Suzuki Bandit 400 VM, TGB 204 Classic 125cc
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orac wrote: | its okay, HDR will go away, again, again, again. the source engine used it back in the demo for HL2 (think it was called lost coast or something). don't think it was used in the final release of HL2.
HDR struggles in the place it works best - photography. exposure merging has mostly replaced it. part of the reason it does not seem to persist is that every frame needs to be processed 3 times (at least), so to get 30FPS, you need the game to run at 90FPS. or 180FPS to get 60FPS. now consider the fact that most games struggle to run 30FPS, asking them to run 3 times as much in the same time is a big, big ask when combined with the increase in detail and resolution. For all the advertised extra power of the PS4 Pro, is not actually that powerful at just 4.2 teraflops - my PC had that 9 years ago
VR has been around since the 80s, just like 3D were you get to where stupid glasses. they died out then, the latest version of 3D is already all but dead. I am pretty sure the VR will go the same way.
its also worth noting that the PS4 pro does not actually have a 4K Blu-ray drive. which can be argued is a handicap. |
Another person with opinions based on fuck all
1. Lost Coast came out AFTER HL2 as a demo for the technology.
2. HDR in Photography is not the same process as HDR in TV. Every frame is not rendered 3 times, HDR increases the amount of contrast and the depth of colour in the screen funnily enough giving the image a Higher Dynamic Range. Have you seen anything in 4k HDR? It is the future, (well it's not it's here now) in the same way HD was. Things look great in it, give it 5 years it will be on every TV.
3. Consoles are always less powerful that PC's that's why they are cheaper. When you have locked hardware you can develop a program a lot more efficiently
4. 3D is not VR, it is a totally different experience. Again I ask, have you tried it? I'd bet no.
Why when you don't know about something do you feel the need to slag it off? I just don't understand that mindset. ____________________ Well, you know what they say. If you want to save the world, you have to push a few old ladies down the stairs.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 28 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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