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PostPosted: 20:43 - 20 Mar 2017    Post subject: MOTAD Exhausts Reply with quote

I'm disappointed to learn of another British company ceasing trading. I personally have had a few of MOTAD's Venom exhausts and have been pleased with their products.

Sign of the times hey.



Source : http://www.motad.co.uk/news/
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 20 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully a buyer will be found. Hundreds of Deauville owners rely on them.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 20 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

explains why motad buggered off the forum a while back then
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 20 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats a shame. I know the products are quality and have had a few on my bikes.
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 20 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aw maaaan. Sad

Hopefully it'll be: Motad is dead, long live Motad 2.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 20 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

With anti-tamper rules, I'd imagine being in the business of supplying off the shelf aftermarket motorcycle exhausts is going to become increasingly difficult to turn a profit from.
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 20 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

A sad day for another British engineering place, hopefully they won't just become another name on something made on the other side of the world.

Fingers crossed for their employees and suppliers that they get sorted out as well.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only bought a system off them in December, and the quality was good. That is a damn shame.
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PostPosted: 01:11 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blah blah wrote:
A sad day for another British engineering place, hopefully they won't just become another name on something made on the other side of the world.

Fingers crossed for their employees and suppliers that they get sorted out as well.


That's what will happen. Chinese exhausts, Motad label put on in Walsall - Proudly assembled in Britain Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 01:17 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrippleTron wrote:
explains why motad buggered off the forum a while back then


Ian did say he was retiring, conspiracy theorists can continue this conversation
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
CrippleTron wrote:
explains why motad buggered off the forum a while back then


Ian did say he was retiring, conspiracy theorists can continue this conversation


But Ian is your name, and I've never seen you and Motad-Ian in the same place.

The conspiracy thickens, Ian.
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PostPosted: 03:31 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 09:26 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah tits, I was set to get a decat set made off them this year.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
With anti-tamper rules, I'd imagine being in the business of supplying off the shelf aftermarket motorcycle exhausts is going to become increasingly difficult to turn a profit from.

To the best of my knowledge, we haven't bothered making it an offence - a criminal offence, FFS - to modify A1 and A2 bikes, as we were supposed to do.

There's also (again, AFAICT) no diktat mandating the form of anti-tamper. I doubt if anyone has really bothered implementing the required Nanny Chip that's supposed to detect it and bawww.

The Hyosung 125 I got stuck into had what appeared to be hardened rivets holding the end can on that took a load of drilling, but nothing beyond that.

So in principle, yes, in practice, not yet. If I were guessing, I'd say this is down to eBay, sort by price. There's a powerful lot of East Elbonians selling end cans (#BrexitThread) or UK resellers of Chinese tin foil. Heck, I've just bought one for £15.20, delivered. My bad.
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The little YBR wears a "Pitbike" can, £20, delivered in 2 days.

If people want to modify, that's what they are going to do, for better or worse.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:
The little YBR wears a "Pitbike" can, £20

All right, Richie Rich, no need to flash your swag.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that's crap news.

TBH I was only looking the other at pipes for my wife's bike, and couldn't get over the current prices on their website. Was comparing a FZS600 full venom system I bought from them in Nov 2013 for just under £240, but is now listed at £400! Has price of steel really gone up that much in 2 years?!
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Materials are up, rates are up, wages are up - potentially they just couldn't find or keep the staff. It's hella expensive to actually make things in the UK.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
ThatDippyTwat wrote:
The little YBR wears a "Pitbike" can, £20

All right, Richie Rich, no need to flash your swag.


My dad's Scottish, what can I say, I'm cheap. Weirdly, it'll increase the resale value, little oiks round here think it's the dogs.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Heck, I've just bought one for £15.20, delivered.
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to be the 'in' thing to do at the moment, as I've also just bought a cheapo end can. I wonder if that's something that might be linked to the demise of Motad. I've given some thought to exhaust systems recently, and when it comes to the real vs perceived differences between end cans, a lot of it looks to me like voodoo science, or outright snake oil (e.g. when such cans follow balancer pipes and aren't the principal cause of pressure in the headers). We rarely get benchmarking charts for comparison, and the mathematical methods stay strictly behind the curtain. I think consumers may slowly be getting wind of this. Note the number of videos on Youtube demonstrating ripoff/fake 'Akrapovic' cans now, vs the slightly stupid Men and Motors review of end cans, made in the 1990s. Salesmans puff can only pump up a metal tube so far. The white-coat-clad all-British engineer/scientist trick seems to be failing.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rufous wrote:
Seems to be the 'in' thing to do at the moment, as I've also just bought a cheapo end can. I wonder if that's something that might be linked to the demise of Motad. I've given some thought to exhaust systems recently, and when it comes to the real vs perceived differences between end cans, a lot of it looks to me like voodoo science, or outright snake oil (e.g. when such cans follow balancer pipes and aren't the principle cause of pressure in the headers). We rarely get benchmarking charts for comparison, and the mathematical methods stay strictly behind the curtain. I think consumers may slowly be getting wind of this. Note the number of videos on Youtube demonstrating ripoff/fake 'Akrapovic' cans now, vs the slightly stupid Men and Motors review of end cans, made in the 1990s. Salesmans puff can only pump up a metal tube so far. The white-coat-clad all-British engineer/scientist trick seems to be failing.


It's very true. When I was buying a front mount intercooler for my scoob I was looking around at different brands. All a FMIC is is metal pipework with a radiator core - nothing fancy, technical, high quality or particularly strong needed. You could get a top of the range RCM FMIC for around £1k. Or a Japspeed one for £200. You can guess what I bought. Exactly the same job done.

I feel its the same or at least similar for exhausts, Not particularly complicated engineering, so the difference between a China knockoff and an Akrapovic cant be too big.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rufous wrote:
I think consumers may slowly be getting wind of this. Note the number of videos on Youtube demonstrating ripoff/fake 'Akrapovic' cans now,


I'm running one of these on my bike now as I wanted to try out a "stubby" can and £30 for an experiment was justifiable.
Does my bike perform any differently to how it does with over £300 worth of Scorpion can on it? Nope. Does it sound better with a £30 can on? To my ears yep. Are they the only 2 things that really matter other than looks which are totally subjective? Yep.
Would I drop £300 on an end can again? Almost certainly not.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
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Heck, I've just bought one for £15.20, delivered.
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This was about a year ago Wink
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 21 Mar 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a shame to lose a manufacturer of exhausts which have actually been tested during development. I recall Motad asking for people with certain bike models to loan them one for testing.

On my bike (2001 CBR6f) the cheapo chinese downpipes I ran for a while gave it gaping flat spot half way through the range. Reports of Delkevic and Sandy's bike spares etc doing the same on my model.

The motads I eventually fitted were made of thick stainless steel, everything lined up perfectly and the bike ran like OEM. I don't care about cans, but decent downpipes can be hard to find.
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