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skatefreak wrote: | I'm thinking of going just to get out the bleeding house and meet some peoples...
Bought a nice litre bike, may as well take it out somewhere |
I rather suspect this is why most will attend. Sorry, but I agree with Rogerborg on this. It will achieve nothing. And not only because the flyers or the campaign in general don't give an option of action to take following the protest. Joe Public is either entirely indifferent to motorcyclists, or actively hates them. And we are a tiny minority, so I can't see us being able to persuade the authorities to invest extra time and funding into dealing with the problem when every public service is stretched to its limit and they can't even sort those.
Such protest rides might achieve something if they were part of a sustained campaign that regularly brought city centres to a grinding halt and hit at the economic heart of government and businesses. But even then, I rather suspect the police would suddenly be able to find the necessary resources to prevent such recurring protests from happening at all. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Matt B wrote: | Why so negative Roger? |
MAG used me and discarded me. They never write[*], they never call.
Matt B wrote: | A one man crusade to pick holes in every aspect of the UKMTP. |
Only the ones that are counter-productive wastes of time.
Oh, right - every aspect, at least relevant to this rage-ride.
Matt B wrote: | A protest ride isn't going to change anything regarding laws and legislation so everyone should just cease, desist, shut up and stay at home. |
... and spend the time writing to their PCC and MP.
The opposite of the wrong action is not inaction.
Matt B wrote: | Your one man crusade against this meet isn't going to change anything so why not cease and desist? |
If I can save one life from having a wasted day, it will be worth it.
Matt B wrote: | This sums it up for me. I'm going to an organised event to show exactly this. |
What result do you expect based on your contribution?
chickenstrip wrote: | Such protest rides might achieve something if they were part of a sustained campaign that regularly brought city centres to a grinding halt and hit at the economic heart of government and businesses. |
Nope. NTBPT brought central London to (more of) a halt for years, and achieved nothing other than to piss off the Mayor.
This tactic has already been tried, and tried better. It failed. It's not rational to expect different results this time.
[*] They do actually keep emailing me asking for moar support. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: |
chickenstrip wrote: | Such protest rides might achieve something if they were part of a sustained campaign that regularly brought city centres to a grinding halt and hit at the economic heart of government and businesses. |
Nope. NTBPT brought central London to (more of) a halt for years, and achieved nothing other than to piss off the Mayor.
This tactic has already been tried, and tried better. It failed. It's not rational to expect different results this time.
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What did Boris the Buffoon actually do to prevent the protests that time around? But yes, I agree, hence my following the above phrase with:
chickenstrip wrote: | But even then, I rather suspect the police would suddenly be able to find the necessary resources to prevent such recurring protests from happening at all. |
____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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He didn't prevent them, they just fizzled out when it became apparent that they were achieving nothing other than pissing people off. And no, that anger wasn't directed towards Westminster Council.
Then the court challenge against the Westminster bike charges failed (because it was cack-handed) and that was that.
UKMTP aren't even trying to point their own members in the right direction, let alone the public. This makes me sad.
"Awareness" is not a plan. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg isn't just on a downer. He's exactly right in his observations about strategy and effective lobbying, and its conspicuous lack thereof in this protest. But it's just a protest. For sure, you need organisation. This really isn't the organisation you're looking towards to do any of those things. The right organisation to take those actions hasn't been formed yet, and doesn't exist. A disciplined, peaceful protest ride is, really, the most you can expect from UKMTP. I appreciate the points about wasting petrol and time on a good spring weekend. It's right that nobody should expect anything to come of this particular action. It will be ignored by the police, the politicians and the news media. However, there's more to it than actually achieving the protest ride's stated outcome.
You may be unaware that the youth I mentioned who started this whole thing has been contacted by thieves. Death threats have been flying around. There have been violent incidents as well. This stuff, online and real-life contact, is practically a daily occurrence. None of the protest ride's efforts have even mentioned these dirty tactics, let alone made it the focus of the ride, and that's quite laudable because it's a lot of pressure to bear on one guy. Much as I hate to admit it, the group is even more hapless than its appraisal has declared it to be on this forum. However, you can't ignore individuals' personal qualities of courage and steadfastness, nor the goodwill. How great would it be, if BCF members gathered round him, had some photos taken that could be shared on social media, to say, mess with this guy and you mess with us... I know it's probably asking too much. But it's just a thought. ____________________ Safety in numbers |
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The goal is to embolden an individual to carry on a pointless-at-best campaign?
Wait, why is UKMTP run from the same secure-undisclosed-chip-shop-adjacent location as rainpal.us?
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Pointless IMO!
The great unwashed masses don't know and don't care to know the difference between thieving, chav, 'Bikelife' scum and anyone else riding a bike.
For various reasons they despise bikes, everything to do with bikes and anyone connected with bikes. They don't give a shit about bikes being stolen, in fact I suspect they're happy to see bikes stolen, they see it, rightly or wrongly, as one less biker on the road.
Trying to garner public support for anything to do with bikes has never worked and never will, the general public hate us!
All that will happen, should a mass protest/ride take place, myriad overzealous, plod will turn up, rubbing their hands together, set up road blocks and nick anyone they can for the, very, slightest of infringements, something they should have been doing when the 'Bikelife' chavscum had their rideout, but obviously CBA! ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!" |
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Suntan Sid wrote: | Pointless IMO!
The great unwashed masses don't know and don't care to know the difference between thieving, chav, 'Bikelife' scum and anyone else riding a bike.
For various reasons they despise bikes, everything to do with bikes and anyone connected with bikes. They don't give a shit about bikes being stolen, in fact I suspect they're happy to see bikes stolen, they see it, rightly or wrongly, as one less biker on the road.
Trying to garner public support for anything to do with bikes has never worked and never will, the general public hate us!
All that will happen, should a mass protest/ride take place, myriad overzealous, plod will turn up, rubbing their hands together, set up road blocks and nick anyone they can for the, very, slightest of infringements, something they should have been doing when the 'Bikelife' chavscum had their rideout, but obviously CBA! |
D'you know, I could actually hear your voice rising to a scream, finishing with you frothing at the mouth and throwing a paperweight (or whatever was handiest) at the computer..."Aaaaaaand relax" ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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NutsyUk wrote: | If bike thefts have gone up by 50% then, thats not exponential. |
You really don't understand exponential growth do you?
Thefts can have risen 50% in two years and still be exponential because it's just growth at a defined or constant rate. If thefts started off at 100 2 years ago and have increased by 50% in two years that means in year two there were 150 (depending on wow you interpret the wording). That gives a growth rate of about 22.5% - the total grows by this amount each year.
Start - 100, 123, 150, 184, 225, 276, 338, 414, 507, 621, 761* and so on. Each time the total increases by 22.5%, that's still exponential.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 53 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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