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PostPosted: 10:41 - 11 Apr 2017    Post subject: LED H4's Beam pattern any good? Or totally screwed? Reply with quote

Long story short, the highest wattage stator+flywheel combo I can get for my YX series engine is 100w. Thinking of looks, I went for some twin headlights (h4) and completely neglected the fact that 2x55w bulbs makes for a 110w draw.
I've spotted some 35w standard H4 bulbs, but I'm worried they'll be... well... dim??
I've noticed more and more LED bulbs on the scene and I'm curious as to whether the 35w LED H4's that are available will be any good in terms of not blinding every twat coming from the opposite direction.
Does the beam pattern hold up with LED's? or does it scatter out?
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 11 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd try one and see.
This one is only 6 quid so wont break the bank
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12W-Motorcycle-Headlight-H4-800LM-White-COB-LED-Hi-Lo-Beam-Front-Light-Bulb-Lamp-/322392402024?hash=item4b1015a868:g:Hf0AAOSw44BYeEZ9

Don't be put off with the 12W, its the light output not watts you need
Traditional incandescent lights burn of 95% if the power as heat not light
I have a 20W Cree led security light outside which is very bright
and lights the whole back lane up better than my 55/65 bike headlight

The 12W one I indicated is compact and has it's own heat sink
Higher wattages will need more space for heat sinks and driver circuits
which has to be a consideration when using them on bikes where space may be limited.
Also I'd take your 100W with a pinch of salt, you want to work well inside that.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 11 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

£6 on an led headlight bulb?
might aswell buy one of those £3 things...

dont bother with led headlight bulbs unless youre spending £45-£70 for a bulb with at least 40w

ignore the ebay images on most led bulbs.. they lie

the drz has those cheap shitty led bulbs in the headlight and honestly... i could see more from the moonlight i had to wire up spotlights just to see more than a meter infront of myself
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 11 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is often the beam pattern. If the source of light is in a different place or has a different distribution to to the OEM bulb, you end up with a poor beam pattern - the bright bits are too bright and you get a sharp cut off so can see nothing out of the narrow direct beam.

The smart advice on LEDs is to get complete lights rather than aftermarket bulbs as then the reflectors are designed to match but that all costs money so maybe worth an experiment.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 11 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, a 60/55W H4 emits upto 1650 Lumens. A 800lm LED won't be even as good as an cheap H4 bulb. Watts are not important here. Wink
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 11 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
OP, a 60/55W H4 emits upto 1650 Lumens. A 800lm LED won't be even as good as an cheap H4 bulb. Watts are not important here. Wink


Also bear in mind that a lot of cheap, chinese LED's have batshit crazy claims for Lumen output. Look for stuff using genuine Cree emitters, they'll be better mate, albeit more expensive.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 11 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
OP, a 60/55W H4 emits upto 1650 Lumens. A 800lm LED won't be even as good as an cheap H4 bulb. Watts are not important here. Wink


Cheers for that RhynoCZ. I was considering one of those 800 lumins jobbies, but I think I will go for a 60/55 H4. Currently (pun intended lol) I am using a 35/35 H4 and I am hoping that a 60/55 wont break the available wattage bank. My alternator puts out 190 watts (admittedly at about 5000 rpm, though that is where I am most of the time as I wring my poor little LA's neck consistently). I don't have heated grips or anything else to affect the system, and I experimented recently with my multimeter connected to see what the charge rate would be with a better bulb in. What I did was to set the lights on dip and than simultaneously press the beam flash button - the charge rate stayed at 13.6 at around 2-3000 rpm, and rose to 13.9 up at about 5000.
I don't do much night riding, also in the daytime my DRLs which I fitted are extremely effective, borne out my a friend whose car I followed though our villege recently and he said they were very bright. So the electrical system is working very well, and each day when I start the bike the engine sturns over nice and quickly.
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 11 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petemate wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
OP, a 60/55W H4 emits upto 1650 Lumens. A 800lm LED won't be even as good as an cheap H4 bulb. Watts are not important here. Wink


Going from 35/35W H4 to 60/55W H4 + increased charging system stress


Also, make sure the headlight and its surroundings (incl. the wiring to the bulb) are not melting, when you use the higher wattage bulb. Wink
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PostPosted: 06:22 - 12 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petemate wrote:
I think I will go for a 60/55 H4. Currently (pun intended lol) I am using a 35/35 H4


So do a bit of rewiring to take out the risk of the original wiring melting.

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PostPosted: 22:57 - 12 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys. I am sure it will be OK; firstly, the 35/35 must have been fitted by the PO, as the bike specifications indicate an H4 60/55. Also, the alternator and wiring are as per the 233cc Nighthawks, CB250s (non-Dream) CM250Cs etc etc. Only thing I think may be a concern may be the plastic reflector in my Chinese headlamp.... I will be checking it for heat following a run round the Oxford Ring Road, easy, 2 screws and less than half a minute to access.
Ta again.
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PostPosted: 23:23 - 12 Apr 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:
Also bear in mind that a lot of cheap, chinese LED's have batshit crazy claims for Lumen output.

I just hate when people make wild claims that they can't back up. It's contemptible.
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