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Posted: 13:50 - 10 May 2017 Post subject: |
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Wow guys thank you so much for all the input and replies !
So I think a general consensus is that I should look more into getting 2nd hand as I`ll drop the thing as my 1st bike.
Hard to believe though is that a second hand bike will be more reliable than a brand new one, because it`s had owners and proved itself. I don`t know much about bikes admitedly, but I`d feel more confident riding a new bike than a bike 3 other dudes rode and/or have dropped.
I keep seeing that 300cc will be to small and I should get a 500cc ? That I don`t know if I`m sold on to be honest, and I assume insurance will be higher so. And I really want to stay away from 500 bikes for a few years anyway to be fair ...
As for garage/security, I live in a place of flats, there`s not much space for anchors and doubt I`d get permission to put one in. I`ll look more into renting a garage from council soon, will ask around maybe I can find smth decent.
Finally , INSURANCE (anti theft, anti arson, etc) for a 300 CC bike for a brand-new DAS rider, how much would it be more or less? Approximately ofcourse, but am I looking at 300 a year, 600 a year or 1000+ a year (which sounds insane to me)
Thanks guys for the advice , I am very very grateful for all your input so far, so much stuff I haven`t even thought about
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angryjonny World Chat Champion
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Posted: 13:56 - 10 May 2017 Post subject: |
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VickRides wrote: | INSURANCE |
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Cost will vary massively dependent on your age, your location, where you keep it and, to some degree, model. Big engine does not automatically mean high insurance. Tendency for a certain bike to be crashed or stolen a lot means high insurance. Expensive repairs mean high insurance. Ergo, a larger naked bike may be cheaper than a smaller faired bike. Get quotes.
When getting quotes, declare no aftermarket security. No disk locks, no chains, nothing, because if you do, then contract between you and the insurers is that you always use them. Precisely the ones you've listed. If you change a lock, forget to put lock on, whatever, you may struggle getting a payout if stolen.
500 bikes are not big. 600 is your "standard" big bike. And by "big bike" I mean not a toy. Many 1st timers are reluctant to go too big too early. But for no good reason really. If you're buying small, buy cheap because you'll be chucking it in against something bigger in no time.
For a first bike, if you must buy new buy naked. You can replace levers and footpegs with a spanner. Fairings and paint cost a lot.
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Posted: 14:37 - 10 May 2017 Post subject: |
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VickRides wrote: | I keep seeing that 300cc will be to small and I should get a 500cc? |
Entirely up to you. I just think it's unlikely that you'll train and test on a 600 and get used to all that torque and power, then want to buy a bike with half of that.
I'd certainly encourage you to consider it - I have a great laugh on my 250. But I'm on the 800 today and enjoying all that extra oomph. I'm not sure I could part with the big bike in favour of the small, although I am considering it.
Keep an open mind, is the take-away point. You won't know what you're ready for until you're licensed up.
VickRides wrote: | I assume insurance will be higher |
Don't make any assumptions about insurance. It makes no sense. A ~60hp GPZ500S cost me less to insure than a ~10hp 125.
An older, cheaper bike that you can cover TPFT or even TPO might cost you a lot less to insure than a new 300 and comprehensive cover. Like, the value of the bike less. Free bike!
Costs are entirely dependent on the exact set of circumstances that you plug into a comparison site. Adding security can increase quotes. You really will have to run a load of indicative quotes with your details (well, Mr Fakename a few doors down) to see what's what.
VickRides wrote: | And I really want to stay away from 500 bikes for a few years anyway to be fair ... |
You'll have a hard time getting a licence then. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 23:49 - 10 May 2017 Post subject: |
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So I`ve been looking around and sort of reached this conclusion for a temporary time until I pass DAS.
I will be looking into getting a 2nd hand 2015/2016 Z300 naked bike. It will still be under Kawasaki insurance hopefully, but at least it would have proved itself to no malfunction. And from what I can see , instead of paying 4300 for one I`d pay 3200 so that 1000 pound difference can go into gear.
Not sure how I can know if the former owner crashed it though, that`s my other fear lol.
The thing is right now I want a z300 more than I want any other bike in general for some reason. Either a z300 or a mt07 , but 700cc , I just don`t see myself learning on.
Anyway I`ll be studying this weekend for highway code and after that will book DAS.
Thank you so much guys for the replies and help you have been phenomenally helpful and I appreciate your time
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Posted: 11:11 - 11 May 2017 Post subject: |
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VickRides wrote: | The thing is right now I want a z300 more than I want any other bike in general for some reason. |
For no reason other than how you imagine it might ride.
VickRides wrote: | Either a z300 or a mt07 , but 700cc , I just don`t see myself learning on. |
You'll need to visualise it pretty quickly.
If you want a full A licence, you'll be getting it on a 600cc+ bike like an MT-07, ER6, SV650, CBF600 or Bandit 650. Most of those are heavier than an MT-07. There's no other way to get that licence.
Even if you were to waste your time and money getting an A2 licence, in practice you'd be using at least a 195kg CB500F (heavier than an MT-07), and quite possibly a restricted version of one of the A training bikes listed above. So all the cost, time and difficulty for half the rewards - don't do it, go full A.
Whatever you do, don't go full ADHD and buy a Z300 or any other bike before you've got your licence. You'll be doing so from a position of ignorance and are very likely to end up with something that you quickly want to change.
Licence, gear, security, insurance, then bike. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Rogerborg wrote: | VickRides wrote: | I just don`t see myself learning on. |
You'll need to visualise it pretty quickly.
If you want a full A licence, you'll be getting it on a 600cc+ bike like an MT-07, ER6, SV650, CBF600 or Bandit 650. Most of those are heavier than an MT-07. There's no other way to get that licence.
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Whatever you do, don't go full ADHD and buy a Z300 or any other bike before you've got your licence. You'll be doing so from a position of ignorance and are very likely to end up with something that you quickly want to change.
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Posted: 13:43 - 12 May 2017 Post subject: |
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Hey dudes , I agree fully with the suggestion on not doing any quick decisions, and I won`t get any bike until I passed my full DAS.
To clarify when I said I don`t see myself learning on a 700cc bike I meant that for the next 2ish years I`d like to learn riding a smaller one to it`s full potential, but I agree that this opinion is based purely on how I imagine riding a 300 or 700 bike that I`ve neither ridden yet.
That said I am aware that I will be riding a mt07 when I have my DAS (sometime this month hopefully), and I look forward to trying out a big bike in that regard and see if it will change my mind or not.
Finally,yes I`ve passed my CBT, theory is next step in line then I`ll book DAS asap
All noted down gents Will keep you guys updated !
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Licence, gear, security, insurance, then bike. |
Security - you mean locks and chains, disk break, cover, maybe gps, garage (hopefully) ? anything else I should know about with regards to security ?
Thank you guys for your time,
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VickRides wrote: | To clarify when I said I don`t see myself learning on a 700cc bike I meant that for the next 2ish years I`d like to learn riding a smaller one to it`s full potential |
That does actually make sense. One of the great things about the previous graduated licensing system was that it was intended to encourage gradually moving up in capacity and power.
I enjoyed that. 125 -> slow 250 -> 300 -> 500 -> 800 was about right. I got that hit of extra performance each time. Now I've got that out of my system, I've realised that even ~70hp is more than I tend to use, and am heading back down again.
The new system starts you off with a big bang. You'll come out licensed for any bike, and feeling that having spent all that money that you might as well get a Fire-busa.
However, there's a lot of fun to be had with smaller capacities. Just don't get into a point-and-squirt competition with litre-bike Sunday heroes.
VickRides wrote: | Rogerborg wrote: | Licence, gear, security, insurance, then bike. |
Security - you mean locks and chains, disk break, cover, maybe gps, garage (hopefully) ? anything else I should know about with regards to security ? |
Nope, that's about it. They're investments, they'll go with you from bike to bike, so it's worth spending up front.
You can also look into the likes of Datatag or Alphadot, but personally I think they're very unlikely to dissuade thieves, or result in you getting your bike back before an insurer has already paid out on it, or it's been stripped for parts. I didn't even bother to pay to update the Datatag registration on my Nazi Tractor. Any deterrent effect can be fully simulated by slapping a bunch of stickers on your bike claiming that it's security marked. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 09:58 - 19 May 2017 Post subject: |
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Just a bit of a little update, Monday I have my theory tests woohoo
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Nice one. You OK with the hazard perception in the theory? That it's just a game and you need to learn where the scoring zones are. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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"Police" approved? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 17:12 - 19 May 2017 Post subject: |
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Considered one for my last garageless house, yes.
What stopped me?
1. Presence of such a thing screams "HERE BE BIKES" whereas a regular garage could have any old junk in it. Better than a bike on open display, but not much better than a regular cover.
2. Metal attracts condensation and my gut feel based on no research was that it would be constantly wet inside and the bike would rust like hell. |
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Posted: 10:43 - 20 May 2017 Post subject: |
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It's a damn silly game, but you have to play it. Click, wait a second, click, wait a second, click. You'll score enough to pass. It doesn't matter by how much.
Bear in mind that it's aimed at novices and the standard is barely avoid a developed hazard, rather than act soon enough to prevent the hazard from developing. Which wound me up like a watch.
I'd really love to see a police driving or riding instructor do the hazard perception without preparation. I'd imagine they'd score a fat 0 for clicking too early in every clip. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Considered one for my last garageless house, yes.
What stopped me?
1. Presence of such a thing screams "HERE BE BIKES" whereas a regular garage could have any old junk in it. Better than a bike on open display, but not much better than a regular cover.
2. Metal attracts condensation and my gut feel based on no research was that it would be constantly wet inside and the bike would rust like hell. |
1. If it as secure as the manufacturer claims, significantly more better than just a regular cover
2. My parents have got a metal shed which I erected for them, the metal sides of the shed does attract damp in the colder weather but the mountain bike that are in there have not had any issues with rust..... |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 342 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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