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MKJ
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Bike manoeuvring and lifting issue Reply with quote

Having just ordered a shed , I have a slight issue of how to get my bike into said shed. Not going to be a daily thing, just a over winter or long term solution. The plan is to push it up the path, and then somehow simulataneously lift and turn into the shed. The space I have to move is 4', so won't be possible to turn on the ground. Would have to be rotated in while jacked up I think. The height will be approx 8''. I was thinking a jack like this, but the weight limit will not be enough for my Bandit.

Any suggestions on how I can get round this?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FoxHunter-300LB-Hydraulic-Scissor-Motorcycle-Motor-Bike-ATV-Jack-Lift-Wheel-BLK/282208014271

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PostPosted: 12:06 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

That lift won't do it and you're liable to topple....

Can you not revise the shed design to get a wider door?

Failing that, you need some help. Go down the path forwards on the left hand side and get the front end in through the door as far as you can. Then list the back end round as far as it will go. You probably need to repeat this several times.

You can get skid type things that fit under centre stands, and rollers that sit under the back wheel but these would depend on a nice smooth path surface and no step going into the shed.

BTW your diagram show a path only 4 inches wide......
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there a step up to the shed?

I think you're going to struggle, 4ft is not a lot to play with.

My initial thoughts are, make the shed doors wider, put the shed at angle to the path, rather than 90 degrees.

You could pivot the bike round on the side stand, not ideal but if you're only doing it a couple of times a year I can't see it being much of a problem.

Whatever the solution I think you'll need two people to get it in.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. Due to some other geographical restrictions, that is the only place the shed can go. Widening the door may be possible.

I didn't make it very clear, the floor of the shed is around 8 inches higher than the path. Seems like this will be quite tricky
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why such a small door?

I've built a ramp for my shed which is about a foot from the ground, I could probably get my Fazer out a 4' gap if the ramp was angled.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

With caution you can spin a bike on the sidestand, probably easier than any jack ideas, though you can get rotating things intended for centre stands to spin a bike in your garage.
So much better if you could somehow get the shed on an angle which would make a nice sheltered corner for a shrub to help screen it.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

My shed is off the ground by about a foot and mine has a straight run at it. It's still dicey and a ballache fucking
about with ramps and whatnot. At the very least you need an angled ramp, Maybe move the door to the far corner.
Remember you have to all this in reverse getting the ting out as well.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

The door isn't that narrow an 88.9 cm opening for a bike that's 79cm wide.

Go in at 40-45 degrees, use a little dolly ( https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=motorbike+dolly&_frs=1 ), once you get the bike inside the shed, to move bike to where you want it.
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Engine hoist and webbing to lift the bike clean in the air?
Then swing it into position and you're done.

Please film first attempt for possible lols.
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PostPosted: 13:05 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:23 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/R4gHtpl.png


I don't think laying the bike on its side is the best storage strategy Wink
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/R4gHtpl.png


I don't think laying the bike on its side is the best storage strategy Wink


Especially with no lamp post.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bike = more valuable than flower bed.

Eliminate flower bed = eliminate problem.

Mrs complains? = Eliminate Mrs.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

jnw010 wrote:
Engine hoist and webbing to lift the bike clean in the air?
Then swing it into position and you're done.

Please film first attempt for possible lols.


I like this idea, I'll look into this. Will be filmed from many angles if attempted.

ScaredyCat wrote:
The door isn't that narrow an 88.9 cm opening for a bike that's 79cm wide.

Go in at 40-45 degrees, use a little dolly ( https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=motorbike+dolly&_frs=1 ), once you get the bike inside the shed, to move bike to where you want it.


A dolly could be useful, if only said dolly was also a jack. getting out again might be a struggle.

doggone wrote:
With caution you can spin a bike on the sidestand, probably easier than any jack ideas, though you can get rotating things intended for centre stands to spin a bike in your garage.
So much better if you could somehow get the shed on an angle which would make a nice sheltered corner for a shrub to help screen it.


I wish I could have the shed on an angle, or in a totally different place, but I don't have any choice. Those rotating things look decent.

grr666 wrote:
My shed is off the ground by about a foot and mine has a straight run at it. It's still dicey and a ballache fucking
about with ramps and whatnot. At the very least you need an angled ramp, Maybe move the door to the far corner.
Remember you have to all this in reverse getting the ting out as well.


I'm beginning to think this is too much hassle, maybe look at putting in a lean to infront of the door and using a cover.

Rogerborg wrote:
good sketch


Great idea, but due to other landmarks I haven't included, concrete step, washing line, and water stopcock, the shed is in the only place I can get it. Also, I may have already built the base....

chickenstrip wrote:
Bike = more valuable than flower bed.

Eliminate flower bed = eliminate problem.

Mrs complains? = Eliminate Mrs.


Maybe this? Might cost me some money in bribery however
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

How high are the flowers? Could you make a removable platform that would sit above them?

Or get them planted in pots so you can move them?
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 19:37 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need a rear wheel dolly such as a moto mover. Shame I just sold mine really it would have been perfect for you.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alternative to an engine hoist, but much more complicated, would be to fit a beam coming out of the shed above the door with a sliding hoist. It may require some engineering guesswork and hoping for the best.

Just how important is that flower bed?
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two doors on the shed. One one big MFO single door that you can swing out.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a centre stand you can make a turntable easily. I made one from a heavy duty lazy susan bearing and a piece of 1/4" steel welded on. It means I can ride in ride out on a daily basis and would suit your needs perfectly.

This what I used, 13 quid which is fuck all compared to what you pay for 'proper' dollies and wotnot https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B007U6CWNU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skylift?
https://abbastands.co.uk/product-detail.asp?item=sky-lift&pid=44
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a Skylift but I wouldn't recommend it for manoeuvring purposes unless you have a perfectly flat smooth concrete area to do it. Plus the strap setup is a time consuming chore for flat-lift mode.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick photo of my turntable

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PostPosted: 21:22 - 15 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd hack the shed too
most bikes are about 7 foot long so bugger struggling
trying to turn it in a 4 foot path to get it in an 8 foot shed
Some simple wood butchery err adjustments
could give you easy bifold access
Blue dot hinges
pink dot catch
yellow dots frame reinforcement
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kinda thing
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 16 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://s19.postimg.org/c6ocnkog3/shed_solution.png

This is what I would do, cancel your existing shed order (if you can), or ask them to amend your order.

Change from a Apex shed (I assume you have ordered an apex shed), to a pent shed (it will be orientated like my diagram with the door to one side), and ask them to fit a double door as standard. If you can get a shed bigger than 8'x6' then that will be in your favour, as 6' depth isn't ideal for a bike, you will have to turn the bike as you go in the shed. But it would still be doable.

Here is an example of a pent shed with double door I am referring too.

https://s19.postimg.org/frk86sszn/5234b0d067d5d753fd61df5505fca64d.jpg

8'x8' would be much more useful to you if you can squeeze it in.

An 8 inch step is rather large, my shed ended up being about 4 inches from the ground, so I can easily wheel the bike out of the shed without catching the lower fairing on the shed door frame. For getting it back in the shed I have a ramp that I bought years before for loading a bike into a van. I am looking at cutting the overhang at the bottom of the doors down so I can fit a permanent ramp.

What sort of base are you having for your shed?
If it is bare soil, maybe dig down a little before laying a patio slab base? Reduce that 8 inches as much as you can.
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