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This is just a continuation of your what bike? thread.
You clearly want an NC750X DCT. No need to turn it into a soap opera, it's a perfectly reasonable choice. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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damnit beat me to it ____________________ Observation is the greatest source of wisdom. |
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Scooter with blanket, a good jacket, and muffs. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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Posted: 20:57 - 19 May 2017 Post subject: Re: Best Motorcycle for commuting in wet weather |
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jazzinspace wrote: | it has pissed it down this week in London |
Y-e-r-s.. it does that a LOT in this country! How long have you lived here?
jazzinspace wrote: | and my shit bike has already hydroplaned; and let's be honest... it rains every other week in the UK so it's a big deal for a commuter. |
Very little to do with the weather; ad only a little do with your not-so shit bike, a little more lmost certainly its rather shit tyres! But MOST to do with something else..... which I'll get to.
125 Marauder, ISTR takes a rather uncommon 15" tyre sizing, in which ISTR there are only two on the market; both intended for bigger heavier cruiser-style bikes not so likely to see 'rain' that might take the shine off the chrome, and which would have the power and weight to put some heat in the rubber from time to time, the marauder doesn't!
It's a compromise born of that token cruiser-styling I am afraid, and yes, it is over tyred, and they will step out or skid, because they don't have the wight to cut surface water, and too much 'Ooooh! Fat-Back' for tread to pump it out the way. But....
The 'Problem' isn't the rain... that's to be expected in this country!
The 'Problem' isn't the 125 Marauder... its not helping much, and its 'handling' is compromised for the cruiserified styling, but not too inordinately.
The 'Problem' isn't even particularly the not so wonderful tyres available for on the 125 Marauder, or even that yours may be a little out of shape... they aren't wonderful bits of rubber for a bike (I cant believe I'm saying this about the 140Kg more-order!) that light! BUT
Problem then must be? You probably wont like the answer, BUT if you look in a mirror it will be staring you in the face!
You're Doing DAS, still? Have you passed tests yet? Even if you have, you're still learning. And, here and now, you have however many hours on a bigger, heavier bike, plus the lesson-learning., and your confidence IS likely to be getting ahead of your competence..... more, horizons opened by time on a bigger bike, you are becoming ever more irreverent of the 125... most do!
You keep referring to it as 'shit'.. if you think it's so shit... why did you buy it? Or did you not think it was shit then? So when did you think it became so... and has it? It's the same bike it wont have changed that much, surely? So what has?
Hmmmm....
If you go watch some you-tube Moto-GP footage, you should notice that those lads don't hang about in the damp! If you check race results you are likely also to discover that the difference in lap times between wet and dry are incredibly small! Certainly less than 15% difference, more likely within 10%... And those folk are running dedicated 'slicks' in the dry... check results for Proddy Racing where they have to run on molded production tyres wet and dry, the gap is even smaller....
The cult of the fair-weather rider over the last 25 years, has hugely influenced common mis-conceptions over how, on the public road, much grip is diminished in the wet! Seriously if you put a poll up on here, and asked folk to check a box suggesting the % of dry grip they 'think' they have in the wet, majority would likely check boxes in the 50 or 60% range, you might get a few that suggested they had as much as 75%, but almost no-one would check a box that said 90-100% of the grip they had in the dry.... BUT as race times suggest THAT is actually closest to the truth!
It's rather like the folk who suggest that winter riding is 'too dangerous'.. a lot of that is self justification for their own not riding in the winter.. because, yeah, it's NOT NICE! So if you don't like it, why do it! But, it's actually no more dangerous! More bike accidents occur in the summer. Yep, there's more bikes out in the summer! BUT, per mile, accidents still go up! And big art of that is that riders UNDER estimate risks in the summer, when most of them are less obvious, than they do in winter, when they are more obvious.
Same in the wet to the dry.
The wet on British roads does NOT turn them into a ruddy ice rink! They were before it rained! Take heed! "Oh! Its raining!" yes this is Britain.. it does that... quite a LOT! "I might skid"... no shitsherlock! SO SLOW DOWN! Be more predictive! Leave more room! Be SMOOTH! Compensate!
NOW.. ponder, "Its Sunny! Whey! I can go fast!"..... err.. can you?
Sun shining doesn't mean roads are dry. Even if they are, rain will lift road slime out the tarmac, and if it hasn't rained enough to wash that away, whilst it was raining, or has washed most away, but only recently dried and left a film of oil on the top of the tarmac, it will actually be as or more slippery than when it was raining! Mid to late summer more often, THIS is actually a bigger danger to more bikers than ice is in winter!
But ALL the time, wet roads? Grip is diminished, and obviously so and every bludy where! In the dry.. Yes, AUGHT t be pretty grippy; BUT, not guaranteed, and where it isn't grippy, wont e so obvious ad Oh-so-more likely to catch you out! Patch of banding; spill of derv; a junction gravel wash or some tractor tyre 'throw'; could be anywhere, any time, and you will likely come on it suddenly and unexpectedly!
So it's not so much that you should be riding more slowly, more smoothly and more predicatively in the wet... as to be that you are riding LESS slowly and less smoothly and less predicatively than you should in the dry.....
Its not the bike its not the tyres, its not the weather... it's the RIDER.
Who should NOT have tyres steppng out on them, aquaplaning or skidding, If they are dong what they aught to ad riding within their own capabilities ad those of the machine and the conditions....
Conditions you cant do anything about. Machine? Well you could pick a different one, BUT, the RIDER remains the critical factor!
Take the hint; it wasn't the bikes fault it got a little squrrely in the rain on you.... it was giving you some warning... you are pushing the limits... STOP IT!
ANY bike will do that at some point! Some much more viciously than others, that will do it by spitting you in a ditch, possibly at high speed!
Little marauder was a tad more friendly about it.... so don't blame the bike.... thank it! It was giving you a lesson you didn't have to pay for!
And don't look to the technology to make up what you lack in technique... of you will constantly be chasing the cheque-book trying to find 'something' t better do what you cat, and never managing to get it, no matter how much you spend.
Meanwhile; take the other hint; accidents happen when confidence starts to get ahead of competence.... and your confidence has been growing doing the lessons, and your frustration with the bike you have growing....
Say it so often, but 125's are not toys or kiddie bikes; they can go as fast as anything else is legally allowed in this country and you are dealing with the same idiots and crap roads as any-one on any other machine irrespective of displacement... DON'T ridicule or belittle them, JUST because they don't have a big engine!
Take the knock; recognize what the bike was trying to tell you, and tackle the real problem, which is that you are still relatively inexperienced, ad the problem was you expected too much of your machine....
Other machines may be more confidence inspiring in the wet; other tyres may be more confidence inspiring in the wet... BUT that doesn't mean that another machine or another tyre is the solution, or even the whole solution to the problem you encountered, or guarantee to avoid it in the future... far from it!
Back up; back off; take the hint; Slow down, make space; be smooth, e progressive; and don't expect more of the bike than it can deliver, ride to its capabilities, and the conditions.
Chalk it up to experience, AND go get more... not a 'wet weather bike'!!!
In this country, such a device would be in use 361 days a year! And what you going to do on your 'Dry Weather bike', if you go out in the sun, and then it starts raining!!
In THIS country, ANY bike could be a wet-weather bike... it's only the rider's that aren't! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Now I don't want any bike.
It's all pointless.
Run me down with a Land Rover. Tell my wife I said "Hello". ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I just woke from a terrible nightmare. I dreamt I was Teflon Mike's proofreader
Oh, life is so sweet! ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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You physically can't hydroplane a 125. Even if it was on totally slick tyres. They simply don't go fast enough.
You slid on a wet surface by exceeding the available grip of your tyres. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 16 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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