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M.C wrote: | My (partial) postcode isn't even on your list. |
You're outside London? UK excluding London is £454 per room, so it makes a whopping difference.
M.C wrote: | And as you keep ignoring it's a national rate it would have to be a national average wouldn't it? |
You've lost me. How are you being victimised by that?
M.C wrote: | I am my mums child am I not? I live at home do I not? |
Those are your choices of identity. Nobody is forcing you to describe yourself as a child, or that you live in someone else's home (that's provided for them). Even if I moved in to look after a coffin dodging parent, I'd never use that terminology, because that's not how I self identify.
I'm just trying to get a handle on what your grievance against the Tories actually is, and what might be informing it.
M.C wrote: | There are reasons a [confusing term alert] child might have to live with their elderly parent, I'll let imagine what these are. |
I'll have to, since it doesn't look like you're going to persuade us with information. You've been talking about moving away since 2015, I'll have to note.
M.C wrote: | What do you think I have done? |
I don't know, because you won't say.
I'm sorry this is confusing you, but honestly, I don't know what your situation is, or why you think it's so bad, or why you're blaming the Tories for it.
M.C wrote: | I have a deposit saved up, I just need to move somewhere I can actually afford to buy (which means finding a new job etc.). |
I honestly wish you the best with that. You're just after implying (but as always, not stating) that you "have" to live with your mum though. I'm very confused.
M.C wrote: | You go on about scroungers and then ignore the policies which make work less attractive. |
Because I'm not seeing what policy that is, because you haven't told me. Despite your mystery grievance, you're still working, and have still managed to save up money, so what's the problem? If you truly thought you'd be better off on the dole, why aren't you doing that?
M.C wrote: | You're a Tory, make sure to vote sharia May |
I'm not, and many of her manifesto threats appal me. The prospect of a large Sharia May majority is horrifying. The only thing that scares me more is the shadow of a Corbyn regime, or the LimpDems or Scotch Racialists getting a say. But that doesn't make me a Tory by default. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Monkeywrencher wrote: | M.C wrote: | If you can't even understand my argument after 1700 hundred pages maybe we should leave it here?
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It could be because you haven't put a coherent argument forward.
You posed your Grievance " I don't like to pay rent to the local authority, even if it's less than average" but your only reason for this was that you live in a shithole.
The question "why should you pay less rent" is not fully answered by "it's a rough estate". If the rent you pay is too high for that area you can afford to rent somewhere nicer, If the rents in nicer places are unaffordable for you then it's the place you can afford to live.
If other circumstances are keeping you there, then lower rents won't help. |
Don't forget his initial whine was that the nasty Tories had increased the tiny, way under market value amount, he had to pay in rent towards his mummy's free, house by 80 million % in under 2 years.
Even when it was pointed out several times that his local Labour council actually set rent and rent increases.
He then started blaming those bastard Tories with non dependant deductions, even though it was shown that his local council decide the housing benefits and how much it should drop and how much should be paid by the non dependant worker in the household.
I mean, it's shit there apparently, but it's his home, so he can't leave, because it offers "security".
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mpd72 wrote: | Don't forget his initial whine was that the nasty Tories had increased the tiny, way under market value amount, he had to pay in rent towards his mummy's free, house by 80 million % in under 2 years.
Even when it was pointed out several times that his local Labour council actually set rent and rent increases.
He then started blaming those bastard Tories with non dependant deductions, even though it was shown that his local council decide the housing benefits and how much it should drop and how much should be paid by the non dependant worker in the household.
I mean, it's shit there apparently, but it's his home, so he can't leave, because it offers "security".
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Monkeywrencher wrote: | And the conservative government don't set your rent. the local authority has full freedom over that, they need to money for services and upkeep on social housing,
you wouldn't expect a private landlord to be forced to rent a property out at a loss or break even, so why should your landlord? you get the added benefit of the profit being spent on things you use. |
I give up trying to explain this to you. You have a government report explaining it was frozen under Labour, that the Tory coalition decided to raise it, every council in England charges the same rate and yet it's decided locally? |
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The Government requires all local authorities to calculate the rent for each of their properties according to a set formula.
This formula takes into account:
the market value of the individual property in January 1999 compared to the national average value for other local authority properties
the number of bedrooms in the property
average earnings of manual workers in the county or borough compared to national average earnings. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Last post on this subject because this is ridiculous. I said several pages ago what I paid, and listed a load of councils that stated this was set by government. To show the spread:
Manchester charges 14.80-95.45
In Cornwall £14.80-95.45
In Kent £14.80-95.45
For the last time it's not set locally. It would probably be fairer if it was but whatever, people want to vilify a system they don't even understand. Vote for May in the upcoming elections, then when you get f**ked over I can have a good laugh |
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M.C wrote: | [What I pay to my mum is] not less than average |
It absolutely is. It's less than London average, it's less than national average. It might be close to the minimum that you'd pay for bedsit in Grimsby with Warped as your live-in landlord, but that's neither here nor there.
You seem to have no grasp of what adults actually pay to support themselves.
All I'm hearing is "I deserve," and "I'm owed," and "Gubmint needs to pay".
I honestly despair for this nation, when erudite, educated chaps like yourself can't fathom that The Gubmint is other people, and that your superannuated infancy is funded by us.
Do you really not want to hold the title deeds to a pile of bricks and mortar and say "This is mine, traded for the value that I have created, with nothing owed to nobody." ?
Despair, I do. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Rogerborg wrote: | M.C wrote: | [What I pay to my mum is] not less than average |
It absolutely is. It's less than London average, it's less than national average. It might be close to the minimum that you'd pay for bedsit in Grimsby with Warped as your live-in landlord, but that's neither here nor there.
You seem to have no grasp of what adults actually pay to support themselves.
All I'm hearing is "I deserve," and "I'm owed," and "Gubmint needs to pay".
I honestly despair for this nation, when erudite, educated chaps like yourself can't fathom that The Gubmint is other people, and that your superannuated infancy is funded by us.
Do you really not want to hold the title deeds to a pile of bricks and mortar and say "This is mine, traded for the value that I have created, with nothing owed to nobody." ?
Despair, I do. |
I think you are wasting your time.
You only have to watch Question Time to realise the view we are seeing is not in isolation.
A generation brought up during the New Labour years. Little wonder our politics has swung fully to the right. ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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We can tell them that they don't have to be this way though.
They can choose to bumble through life blaming The Gubmint and everyone else for forcing them to work for jolly well nearly 6 days out of 10, pissing and moaning all the time that they deserve more than what they've earned.
Or they can choose to say, OK, life and other people owe me nothing, but I'll do the best I can with what I have to hand, and perhaps I'll even produce a little bit extra that the grasping masses can seize, ungrateful sods though they are, though they'll never thank me for it.
I mean, we can tell them, but they don't have to listen. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 22:57 - 19 May 2017 Post subject: |
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Encourage, not rail.
What, you think I have a pension that will pay for more than the newspaper to wrap me in, or a house that can have a cat swung in it?
And yet somehow I soldier on, mugged for half of what I earn, paying for M.C's rent rebate, although he'll never acknowledge it, or spit out a word of thanks.
Perhaps the smart thing to do is to check out and live off the largesse of the Social. Tens of millions of both Old and New Brits are enjoying the spoils of sponging. If M.C wants to join them, I'll understand. Remaining infantilised is certainly the easy route. It might even be the smart route. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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If I were you, I'd be more miffed that my taxpayers contributions are funding multi million/billion corps tax avoidance, whilst the real benefactors sit in their ivory towers, casting down the chicken feed for the desperate proles to squabble over. ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Jewlio Rides Again wrote: | If I were you, I'd be more miffed that my taxpayers contributions are funding multi million/billion corps tax avoidance, whilst the real benefactors sit in their ivory towers, casting down the chicken feed for the desperate proles to squabble over. |
I don't think anybody is questioning the wisdom of council housing/benefits. In fact they are the backbone of sensible, caring society.
It's more an issue that recipients of what are essentially social safety blankets are ungrateful of the support they are receiving from fellow taxpayers.
Ultimately, for all their faults, big corporates are employers and by default do serve a general purpose to the population.
If we can't get corporates to pay corporation tax at 17% - I don't think we stand much chance at 26%. In fact it's even less likely they will be domiciled here and invest/increase employment opportunities... ____________________ Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and recycling it for more than it?s worth. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 7 years, 5 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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