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PostPosted: 14:24 - 03 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yanis Varoufakis chimes in again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3zjLfSlaPg
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PostPosted: 07:32 - 05 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

(((Project Fear))) continues. He so Nuw Yoik.

I particularly liked the Al Beebist asserting that Sharia "wants" to be outside the single market, which granted she did say would happen, shortly before drawing breath and saying she'd see the (((bankers))) right.

Feels like a re-run though. Haven't (((they))) threatened to spit this dummy a few times already? Sleeping
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 05 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fuck Goldman Sachs anyway. The biggest bunch of shisters, gangsters and chancers in the financial world. Ask Max Keiser what he thinks of Goldman Sachs.
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 05 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems credible that Gorgon Broon deliberately tanked the world gold price on orders from Goldman Sachs.

Strong and stable leadership though.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 05 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goldman Sachs, aye? Hmm. Thinking

How Tony Blair and US Banks 'Lost' Colonel Gaddafi's Millions

https://www.overgroundonline.com/news-5996/how-tony-blair-and-us-banks-lost-colonel-gaddafis-millions.html

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According to Keiser: ‘It all goes back to 2004 and Tony Blair over there in Libya making nice nice with Gadaffi and welcoming him back to the world community.

‘[Gadaffi] was going to dismantle his “weapons of terror” at that time. So Tony sets up the deals, makes intros, Libya has this huge sovereign wealth fund being in the oil business.

‘And Goldman comes in and says “Sure, we’ll manage this business”. And they manage to blow through 98% of that account by just spinning like these banksters do, engaging in their own weapons of banking destruction.

‘Blair’s involved; politics has merged with banks and this global cartel uses their influence to strong arm their way into the economies. And once they blow up Gadaffi, they won’t have to worry about any law suits.’

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PostPosted: 10:11 - 05 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought Goldman Sachs were one of the major contributors to the 2008 financial crisis.
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PostPosted: 14:31 - 05 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
I thought Goldman Sachs were one of the major contributors to the 2008 financial crisis.


They also profitted greatly from it too.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 08 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Motorhate wrote:
M.C wrote:
I thought Goldman Sachs were one of the major contributors to the 2008 financial crisis.


They also profitted greatly from it too.


Andrew Marr whose boats formed the "Brexit flotilla" on the Thames last year is 646th on #TimesRichList "billionaire Bob Geldof" isn't on it... Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:18 - 17 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Corporation Act 2017[/url] - CDC funding going up from £1B to £5B per year.



Uh is that it?

Xi's one belt one road initiative was increased from 500bn to $625bn on Sunday.
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PostPosted: 10:17 - 17 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
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Corporation Act 2017[/url] - CDC funding going up from £1B to £5B per year.



Uh is that it?

Xi's one belt one road initiative was increased from 500bn to $625bn on Sunday.


Does China have that much money to throw straight into their belt road, or is it all in promises?

Interesting either way, specially if they don't have the funds yet. Building Chinese branded roads, power stations etc in neighbouring countries then telling them, "Sorry we can't pay you but our stuff is here now so we might as well stick around..." Laughing

That's how a lot of Pakistanis see it. Even if they do get paid for it, they're still pretty much selling their nation to China. It's similar to how the British Empire took India in a way.

I remember when Xi Jinping visited the UK. I was using Baidu forums a lot at the time to practise Chinese. Tons of users on there said things along the lines of, "Haha, the sun has set on the British empire, and our leader is now going to buy the UK."

This is why nation statehood is important, specially for a smaller population size like the UK. It lets big things happen on the world stage.

But here on our side we have the neoliberal agenda reducing everything to shopkeeper style interactions where nothing big can happen because no single investor has the same amount of wealth that a state can draw via taxation. But public ownership and state decision-making is A Very Bad Thing apparently.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meanwhile the poles are leaving the sinking ship Shocked

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A surge in the number of Polish people and other European citizens leaving the UK since the Brexit vote means there has been an 84,000 drop in net migration to the UK, to 248,000, the lowest level for nearly three years.


I really hope bnp72 can do his own brain surgery when soon needed Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord Percy wrote:
Does China have that much money to throw straight into their belt road, or is it all in promises?


What do you think they're spending their T-bill sales on?

Lord Percy wrote:
Interesting either way, specially if they don't have the funds yet. Building Chinese branded roads, power stations etc in neighbouring countries then telling them, "Sorry we can't pay you but our stuff is here now so we might as well stick around..." Laughing


It's called the middle income trap. In order to prevent this they need to develop the countries surrounding them, take a guess why EE is being developed.

The British Empire built rails and roads to bring materials and resources OUT of the countries they occupied. This is to bring goods INTO the countries around them and to also build their economies.

It's like a re-run of the US Marshall plan. If the US didn't rebuild Europe then there would be no nations to export to and build a sphere of influence on. The goal is NOT to make money on the investment it's to build a market for their goods.

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This is why nation statehood is important, specially for a smaller population size like the UK. It lets big things happen on the world stage.


Except there is a BIG elephant in the room. It's related to HK has 13% food self sufficiency. This is why it can never really be independent. The UK floats at around 50%. With 26% coming from the EU. The EU has trade deals with many common wealth nations to already export food to the EU.

While you could get food from elsewhere there are five major problems.

First the EE who help produce the food in the UK may not be there in the future. This reduces ability to produce your own. Mechanisation requires enormous amounts of capital.

Next A lot of the food you simply don't want as they do not meet the UK food standards. The PRC produces a whole load of milk but nobody wants it. Similar with US chemical enhanced farming EU doesn't want a lot of it.

Thirdly - Scale, this applies to everything that comes in. Which is the preferred customer? The one that buys 50,000 tons or the one that buys 50,000,000 every month. Go look at the biggest port facilities of the world.

The other problem is that buying food elsewhere may cause the Africa problem. African farmers have long been unable to compete with the US grain industry. It is highly mechanised and highly intensive. So while the EU is protectionist it cuts both ways that you pay more for food but as a bloc you retain the ability to feed yourself.


As the Qing found out if you can't feed your nation then you don't have a nation.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 25 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Meanwhile the poles are leaving the sinking ship Shocked

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A surge in the number of Polish people and other European citizens leaving the UK since the Brexit vote means there has been an 84,000 drop in net migration to the UK, to 248,000, the lowest level for nearly three years.


I really hope bnp72 can do his own brain surgery when soon needed Laughing


There's an obvious problem with the EU "Freedom" whereby people have to leave their homes to find work in the already prospering nations. You should know. The "exodus" is nothing to do with Brexit.
Is the EU actively pushing industry into the unemployment hotspots like Greece and Spain? I don't see it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11454795/Campaign-to-lure-Poles-back-home-amid-fears-of-brain-drain-to-Britain.html

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36854272
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 28 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

EU say the UK is unreliable. Who would have thought that eh?

Not strong and stable, but unreliable:

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Europe can no longer completely rely on its traditional British and American allies, Angela Merkel has warned, saying the EU must now be prepared to “take its fate into its own hands”.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/28/merkel-says-eu-cannot-completely-rely-on-us-and-britain-any-more-g7-talks
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 28 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
EU say the UK is unreliable. Who would have thought that eh?

Not strong and stable, but unreliable:

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Europe can no longer completely rely on its traditional British and American allies, Angela Merkel has warned, saying the EU must now be prepared to “take its fate into its own hands”.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/28/merkel-says-eu-cannot-completely-rely-on-us-and-britain-any-more-g7-talks


Independent nations are unreliable from her perspective. EU Army in 3...2... good luck everyone.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 28 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would the das vierte Reich expect to rely on the free world for anything?
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 28 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Germany say the UK won't do what they tell it to do.


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PostPosted: 11:28 - 29 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Meanwhile the poles are leaving the sinking ship Shocked

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A surge in the number of Polish people and other European citizens leaving the UK since the Brexit vote means there has been an 84,000 drop in net migration to the UK, to 248,000, the lowest level for nearly three years.



If only someone said beforehand that Brexit can cause a departure of foreign taxpayers switching places with expat pensioners Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 30 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdlxxvi wrote:
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"Funny". Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 30 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, a lot of Polish plumbers are self employed and making decent money.

Think of the losses in NI and income tax, plus the insurance premium tax on their liability cover, their van insurance and VED... Whistle
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 30 May 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Think of the losses in NI and income tax, plus the insurance premium tax on their liability cover, their van insurance and VED... Whistle


Not only that. They pay VAT on all their consumption. They will now pay it in Poland, but the important thing is we will get the blue passports, yay! Dance!
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