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[Valerian95]

Itchy I'm not sure what else to say if all your arguments are based on the premise that there are "good" true muslims. A true muslim, a follower of the quran is what a suicide bomber, a member of Isis etc is. A "good" muslim , good in the sense me and you understand it to mean (the I won't kaboom myself in the morning kind) is not a true muslim. Disagree with me on this I don't mind. The common response I hear is you can't say that there are many interpretations to the Quran, like...well...umm...you know... the Bible and other holy books. There is only one of these books at the heart of the which the man, deity whatever being followed was a murderer, rapist, paedo who was happy for his followers to do the same, one who advocated stealing and lying if it was for the good of the religion.
I don't know any holy figure who actively encouraged his followers to do such things.
If you accept there will always be many different interpretations then you must accept
(my turn to be cheeky- because of the Strong Law of Large Numbers- more commonly known as the Law of Averages) given a large enough populace and I think we can all agree 1.6 billion muslims is large enough population and growing- for every interpretation there will be a non zero portion of that populace who will believe in it.

There is a strange sect of Christianity who takes a literal view and believes in Creationism despite (blows my mind) the scientific age that we live in. Not a big one but as long as Christianity exists by the law of averages there is a literal 100% chance there will always be creationists- if the fact that some do right now despite how far we've come as human civilisation does not convince you I don't know what will.
But you know what it's alright- we accept it because these mugs don't try and impose it on us and even if they tried- they don't fucking kill you for not listening.
You know when there is a fucking problem? When there's a particular interpretation of some religion who will fucking kill you for not believing it. And there is only one religion where there is a risk of that because there is only one religion where the man/deity followed was all that I described and actions all that I described.
And by our good SLLN as long as the religion of Islam EXISTS there will always exist ALWAYS ALWAYS with 100% certainty exist a percentage of it's followers who believe in the same ideology as ISIS- you cannot argue against this.

Be content, sleep tight if you wish that perhaps 99.9% (much much less of course [US marine video] but for the sake of argument lets say 99.9%) are "good" muslims "good" in the sense that you and I understand it to be.
Noone's arguing that there aren't even a tiny amount of "good" muslims but as long as the religion is in Europe so will that radical ("tiny" as you'd believe but whatvever) percentage.
It is this percentage which will COEXIST with the religion that will destroy Europe and that is all we care about.
Sadiq Khan was right. It pissed me off but he was right- it is part and parcel of living in a big city- AS LONG ISLAM IS IN THE BIG CITY which it is now and in the forseeable future because of these ineffectual cunts who claim they run our European countries

The only way surely now is to eradicate ISLAM from Europe which means kicking them ALL out. You must accept by this line it's both the religion+terrorism or neither right?

If you disagree I really don't know what to say... I've tried my best.
The only arguments perhaps are we can somehow eliminate ISIS?
Are there 1.6 billions muslims? Does Islam still exist? Chew on those two questions before pondering whether Islamic terrorism will ever disappear.

As for your reference to the Crusades. Well done Great Britain. Jerusalem was being raped and pillaged by the cunt who went by the name of Mohammed who would have done the same to everywhere in the world including Britain. What did we do? We went and fought like men and slayed them in their millions- was there a little raping too?- go on lads! Good to show them it's not just those cunts that can do it.
Least we didn't secretly infiltrate like vermin to murder their women and girls in cold blood like the the little pitbull whos's face disgusts me everytime I see it on the news.

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[Rogerborg]

The bible has a New Testament. Read front to back it gets nicerer. Baby Jesus was a SJW hippy. The 'stone them' parts are adhered to only by... who? A few isolated nutjobs and covens. Hundred, worldwide? Thousands, at a stretch.

The quran read from front to back (well, right to left) gets horrider. mahomet was a mass murderer, slaver and paedophile (but he liked cats). The 'stone them' parts are adhered to by $ARGUABLE_NUMBER_BUT_MANY millions.

The problem isn't the theory, it's the practice.

Wahhabists are bell ends. Salafists are spurting, diseased bell ends. We can distinguish between and make moral judgements on the existential actions of different cults, and sub cults.
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Thing is Percy, Christians have moved with the times somewhat and the last time any of that sort of stuff happened
in the civilised world at their hands is a very, very long time ago. It's like Christians looked at their bibles one day and
said 'Fuck me! That's all a bit strong ain't it. No need to go mad eh?'

Shame a certain other religion can't do the same.
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[Lord Percy]

Aye well that's true.

Just don't see the logic of that lad with the Teflon sized posts ranting away. Something about the quran, therefore just deport the lot of them?

[Ste]

[Valerian95]

Not shite.

The core leader in Christianity was Jesus- a good man who's worst offence in practice was getting angry and overturning tables when he discovered the temple of God was being used as a gambling scene.
Cannot think of anything which ever shed blood at all or anything said to incite hatred.

For the Jews in the Old Testament I don't remember any prophet throughout the old testament preaching conquest and murder to any non-believer. The one thing you can say about all leaders in any of these books were that none of these people were innately evil. They succumbed to greed, were extremeley selfish at times, were very violent even.
Don't remember any paedos or necrophiles (what can you say about acts like this- are they acts of a man on behalf of his people for the greater good?) don't remember any prophets who forced others to convert to Judaism or face death.

It is the leaders who are important- these are the people who were capable of inciting a mass movement in those times and as is proven even now as well.

[Itchy]

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[Rogerborg]

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Itchy, you are being deliberately obtuse.
Even the brainwashed since birth Catholics don't espouse Jihad... Er... Except maybe the Irish branch...... but then, they are Irish....
Damn, just shot myself in the foot.....

I was going to say you can't get enough people into churches to keep them open any more, unless you whip up a Songs of Praise screening or a bit of pissed up Christmas midnight mass. But I forgot about the Catholics..... and the Irish.....
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[Lord Percy]

[Polarbear]

I do find it rather telling that the people who try and compare nasty Christians with nasty Muslims have to go way back in history to get comparable cases. The favourite ones being .....

The Crusades, yes, nice big men with big swords fighting to remove Muslims from Jerusalem. That was between the 11th and 13th centuries. That was a pretty normal way of settling everything back then. You do know the first crusade was to stop the encroachment of Turks (Muslims) into the Byzantine empire, so the Muslims were as much to blame for starting that little scrap.

The Inquisition. friendly catholic priests trying to convince you not to be a naughty boy or you will be centre piece on the barbie tonight. 15th and 16th centuries. Isis of the middle ages? No, more the KGB of the Catholics.

Ireland, the modern one, really? I still stand by religion is secondary to a civil war/war of independence. There is no IRA edict to genocide all the protestants. This conflict would have carried on regardless if it was a purely Irish v British colonial scrap with no religious connotations.

So, nothing remotely comparable to todays troubles.

Oh, and Itchys comments about Leopald 2 are ludicrous. It was nothing to do with Christianity, just greed and not being too bothered about the working conditions of his slave force. If you are going to quote extremely tenuous links you might as well call Uncle Adolf a Christian Zealot, trying to bring his brand of religion to the masses.
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[Itchy]

[Valerian95]

[Rogerborg]

[Valerian95]

Agreed, at some point there's no choice but to look at it practically,after all our people are being blown up in real life-
I have never even heard of these Christian terrorist groups so small is the extent of the damage they've caused in comparison to Islamist terrorist groups. What Muslim would be able to name them without googling.
They're all domestic threats too- and most of the victims other Christians too (cmiiw)- I don't see a global imminent threat here indiscriminate to any of the other 5.5 billion?
I still wanna hear Percy's beef with the crusades? Mohammed started it with the Islamic crusades- we finished it with the Christian crusades.

If ever a Christian from these groups committed an act like this there would be public outcry, it'd be considered shocking from the vast vast majority Christians- it would be so condemned.

You then turn to these other people- can the same be said?
When (don't know the exact figure but ) I think 30% of them wouldn't even report it if they knew something like this would happen) and a good chunk support it.

All these sympathisers like Percy love to say we need to find a solution but they don't actually propose any feasible solution.

What period of time since Mohammed has there failed to be terrorist Islamic organisations under whatever bulshit acronym or name.
There's solid historical evidence if you don't like my earlier post that whichever soil Islam sets foot on this bad sect will lie on this soil too.
It's not gonna go away as long as long as 3 million of them are here and the freedom to grow as big as it wants .
Practical suggestions please bruv?

[arry]

Meanwhile, hippy mentalists solve the problem:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-40060657

Sake.

[Valerian95]

Worthless bulshit like this is what helps people forget somebody needs to actually act-
nah just kidding- the bees will make them get scared theyll find 72 boy virgins in heaven instead- it'll make them think twice!

[Mart_er6]

The problem with religions in general, is that the weak minded who follow them can be manipulated by those less weak minded using the selected arguments from the chosen book to persuade the weak minded individuals to their way of thinking. If it weren't a religion it could very well be a form of politics instead (eg. marxism).

The issues with Islamism in particular are that the manipulations are in effect propaganda against western secularism/equality (our 'way of life') and this particular religion is very intensive (lots of mosque visits/week) which leads to effective brainwashing of weaker minded individuals.

What is needed is a long term shift to promoting secularism: no faith schools (of any type) and active discouragement of belief in irrational religions.
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