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Posted: 23:10 - 27 May 2017 Post subject: A bit of a predicament |
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So, I'm quite happily rocking around on a clean and tidy 58 plate Blade with 25k on the clock.
However, whilst having tyres changed for the MOT at my local yamaha place (that my mate is a mechanic at), I took out anew MT10 for a while to kill some time.
Long story short, got offered a blinding part ex on my Blade...and a finance deal that would work out at £45 a month with the blade PX as deposit.
I've always had naked bikes until the blade (bandit 600, Fazer 1000, BMW K1200R, Kwak Z1000), and my main riding is commuting, which to be fair the Blade handles respectably aside from the usual slightly achy wrists.
The idea of a band new bike is very appealing, and the MT10 is certainly no slouch in term of performance, jsut a different delivery to the Blade - not making it any better or worse, just different. It's rare i get opportunity to tear the arse out of the Blade, and I don't do track days or anything.
I'm a real stickler for having my car/bikes perfect condition, so obviously buying second hand never really hits the mark for me, and i spend ages trying to sort out the bits previous owners have neglected or bodged - hence the proposition of a new bike is quite appealing in that respect.
So, I'm kind of stuck pondering what to do, so thought I'd get some peoples opinions on the MT10 and indeed my Blade whilst we're at it - as I can't make up my mind what to do. ____________________ Twitter is for people who can't STFU even when they're by themselves |
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I like the look of that generation blade far more than most of its rivals. In fact the R1's, GSXR's and comedy ZX10R's look bloody ugly in comparison IMO.
What colour scheme is your blade in? If it was something special like the TT legends colours, and it's still very tidy and enjoyable to ride I'd keep it 100%. Why get rid of a good, clean capable bike that's a few years old if it's still a fucking nice ride and excites or thrills you to ride?
What do you think about the MT10 apart from it being a brand new bike is better about it than your blade? The Blade will be faster, have more bhp, and has probably got better more adjustable suspension, as well as much better build quality, judging the MT10 by the standards of the smaller MT series bikes. Its also bloody ugly in an Alien way, just like most modern nakeds are. Im not sure it's any more ugly than a Z1000 or H2R, but that's not saying much either.
What needs doing to your blade to make it truly mint and spotlessly clean if that's what matters to you, and how much will it cost to get it there?
That would be my biggest deciding factor of all I reckon. |
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stevo as b4 wrote: | I like the look of that generation blade far more than most of its rivals. In fact the R1's, GSXR's and comedy ZX10R's look bloody ugly in comparison IMO.
What colour scheme is your blade in? If it was something special like the TT legends colours, and it's still very tidy and enjoyable to ride I'd keep it 100%. Why get rid of a good, clean capable bike that's a few years old if it's still a fucking nice ride and excites or thrills you to ride?
What do you think about the MT10 apart from it being a brand new bike is better about it than your blade? The Blade will be faster, have more bhp, and has probably got better more adjustable suspension, as well as much better build quality, judging the MT10 by the standards of the smaller MT series bikes. Its also bloody ugly in an Alien way, just like most modern nakeds are. Im not sure it's any more ugly than a Z1000 or H2R, but that's not saying much either.
What needs doing to your blade to make it truly mint and spotlessly clean if that's what matters to you, and how much will it cost to get it there?
That would be my biggest deciding factor of all I reckon. |
My blade is all black with gold engine casings.
It's obviously been on its side at some point, as when I bought it I noticed it had a newer clutch over and new gasket than the other side, the indicator has a minor scuff, and the right hand faring has a few broken clips - not that this affects it staying in place and it's not hanging off with massive gaps or anything, I just know it's there. I do car detailing as a hobby, so noticed the nose cone has been repainted at some point - and (IMO) not brilliantly. Again, not noticeable really...just me being exessively anal.
Don't get me wrong, it's no shed by any strech of teh imagination, and I knew all these things when I bought it, and I got it for good money - so much so that the part ex I'm being offered now is a few hundred quid more than what i paid for it a year ago, and i've put 5k on it.
If this offer hadn't been put under my nose, I wouldnt' even be considering changing.
I'ts jsut sailed teh MOT again, no advisories at all and the testers complimented on the bikes condition
I guess I don't feel like I'm getting the most out of it - I'm not a knee down kind of rider for starters. Riding in traffic a lot, as I do, it gets hot as they all run hot as I'm sure everyone knows. It's also hard on the wrists with a backpack of work clobber as I have 99% of the time.
It is a lovely ride though if I am out for a blat at a weekend (which is happening les now that we have an 8 month old son) - which is another reason I dont' have a whole lot of time to be tinkering with it.
I like the power delivery of teh MT10, that you don't need to wring its neck to get it really going. I also liek the different riding modes - ideal for commuting or riding for fun - in all weather, as I use teh bike all year. Cruise control is pretty cool as again, I use the bike sometimes for long work trips, and the quick shift is a nice touch. It has the slipper clutch like the Blade which I also like. TCS and AbS would also be nice to have again.
I don't like the standard bar height and position, I woudl rather be a little further forward and lower, but they do different risers for this. ____________________ Twitter is for people who can't STFU even when they're by themselves
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FirebladeRuss wrote: | Any thoughts on the bike itself, ignoring finance, as that is a personal decision for people? |
If you've already decided the finance is a personal decision, I can only add that so too is the bike you want to ride, perhaps more so. If you want more information on what the bike is like to own and ride, that's fair enough. But to tell you whether you'd be happy with one? Only one way to find that out.
The MT10 appeals to me, but only going by what I've heard from others. If I bought one, I'd be living with the looks, rather than liking them. They sound a bit mental to ride - there's a guy I know on the Fazer forum who has one, seems to spend every moment on the back wheel. That's all very well and good, but I wouldn't want to be riding like that all the time. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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No, sorry, I can't let this one slide.
FirebladeRuss wrote: | Yeah thats right, there's a final payment after the 2 year term - however, Yamaha guarantee theyll give you that value provided the bike isn't fucked when you hand it back, so that can then be used as a deposit on a new one. |
You give them £5K or whatever usurious figure they demand. They then guarantee to value the bike at £5K as a trade in against another Yamaha.
Wow, such deal, very bargain.
Or, don't give them the £5K, walk away, and have £5K in your pocket to spend on anything you like.
PCP just makes me go ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Oh, for sure, rent the MT-10 if the numbers work out. Be clear that you are trading a bike that you own for one that you're just renting. With a limited mileage too - take that into account.
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Yamaha PCP seems to assume £6417 final payment on a £11000 MT10 @ 8.9%. £45 a month x 36 months @ 8.9% = just £1,424 loan value which leaves you needing to make up £3159 from the trade-in value of the Blade.
That's very close to the £3130 book trade-in value so they're not actually doing you any favours.
That cost to own though... There's going to be a lot of them just handed back, I expect.
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Rogerborg wrote: | Oh, for sure, rent the MT-10 if the numbers work out. Be clear that you are trading a bike that you own for one that you're just renting. With a limited mileage too - take that into account.
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Yamaha PCP seems to assume £6417 final payment on a £11000 MT10 @ 8.9%. £45 a month x 36 months @ 8.9% = just £1,424 loan value which leaves you needing to make up £3159 from the trade-in value of the Blade.
That's very close to the £3130 book trade-in value so they're not actually doing you any favours.
That cost to own though... There's going to be a lot of them just handed back, I expect.
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That's a pretty crap trade in price non? I thought 2008 blades were knocking around for about 4k on the private market. ____________________ My Flickr |
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Ive been offered £5k
No, I've not made up my mind. My Blade is a lovely looking bit of kit, but it's got 26k on it now, which means the value is only going one way.
There's nothing wrong with it, and the mileage doesn't bother me personally in the slightest because it's sound. BUt as is always the way, other buyers and traders all pull funny faces because it's over 20k.
I was just curious to know what others would do, and what the opinions of the MT10 were in general, if anyone had one, etc.
I'm not really fussed on what people views on PCP deals are to be honest, because as I've said, that's down to personal choice and financial standings. I'm more interested in the bikes themselves, build quality, reliability, etc. ____________________ Twitter is for people who can't STFU even when they're by themselves |
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Fuck me.
Any views on the MT10 at all?! ____________________ Twitter is for people who can't STFU even when they're by themselves |
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FirebladeRuss wrote: | Any views on the MT10 at all?! |
I'm not sure what you're expecting. If you don't want opinions about whether the deal is right, then why even mention it?
Re. '08 'blade vs MT-10. From personal experience, they're both superb motorcycles, albeit quite different. The 'blade is smooth and refined, and as focused and fast as most superbikes, whilst being easy to ride. The MT-10 is also easy to ride, but it's an absolute riot - it's all about the thrill. It must be the easiest bike, ever, to wheelie off the power, and quite often the rider doesn't get a choice in the matter. If you can live with that, and you can live with the looks of the MT-10, I very much doubt you'll regret the purchase.
So, if you WANT an MT-10, then buy one. If you're not so certain (clearly you aren't), then why not try a few alternatives? You probably won't get the chance again for a few years if you take up a PCP deal. It doesn't take much effort to punt the 'blade around against other bikes of interest, and you might get equally 'good' deals elsewhere.
I recently took the Triumph Street Triple 765 RS out for a test ride. It's absolutely spot on as a fast, nimble, light, no-nonsense, naked sportsbike. Despite the power deficit, I wouldn't be surprised if it's actually quicker than an MT-10 on road and track. It's certainly classier. I honestly don't think I had a single criticism. So if I were to spend £10k on a new bike, great as the MT-10 is, I personally don't think I would choose one over the Triumph. But YMMV - it depends what you like and what you're after. ____________________ Current: Ducati Panigale R / Ducati Streetfighter S / Suzuki GSX-R1000 L5 |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 325 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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