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Vracktal
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 21 Jun 2017    Post subject: Road pricing in London Reply with quote
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/20/london-mayor-considers-pay-per-mile-road-pricing-and-ban-on-new-parking

As per the radio this morning, the London mayor is expected to propose road pricing per mile in London to replace the congestion charge. There's no firm information on the technical specifics at the moment, such as whether it will be limited to cars or include motorbikes.

I'm hoping in this instance as motorbikes were except the congestion charge they'll also be exempt this new proposed scheme, however as we've seen with the emissions charge bikes are starting to factor in their plans.

Can't figure out how a road pricing by mile scheme would work technically though, without either carpeting the city in ANPR or fitting every vehicle in London with a tracking device?
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 21 Jun 2017    Post subject: Re: Road pricing in London Reply with quote
How does Khan get to work? Johnson at least put his pedals where his mouth is.

Vracktal wrote:
carpeting the city in ANPR

Isn't it already?

The usual total lack of mention of motorcycles. Let's see what the consultation has already decided when it's released today.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 21 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
How will that work without telematic/black boxes?
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 21 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
How do the congestion and ULE zones work?

Snappy-snappy, billy-billy.

They just need more cameras and a bit more granularity. It can be rolled out piecemeal, paying for itself as it goes.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 21 Jun 2017    Post subject: Re: Road pricing in London Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
Johnson at least put his pedals where his mouth is.



Cycle Hire was actually a Red Ken legacy I believe.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 21 Jun 2017    Post subject: Re: Road pricing in London Reply with quote
chris-red wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Johnson at least put his pedals where his mouth is.

Cycle Hire was actually a Red Ken legacy I believe.

I meant, Boris regularly cycled to work, getting into spats with the base, common and popular along the way.

I genuinely believe this is significant. For all his faults, Johnson wasn't afraid to get out among his constituents and eat what he was serving them.

Khan seems much more of a stand-offish bunker-weasel. But his dad was a bus driver. I don't know if you'd heard that.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 21 Jun 2017    Post subject: Re: Road pricing in London Reply with quote
I didn't know actually, I however I certainly know Mrs May was a Minister's daughter.

I know Kahn regularly appears on LBC to answer questions obviously more controlled but at the same time far wider reaching.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 21 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
How do the congestion and ULE zones work?

Snappy-snappy, billy-billy.

They just need more cameras and a bit more granularity. It can be rolled out piecemeal, paying for itself as it goes.

A zone's different, with road pricing I don't see how you'll monitor people with cameras.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 21 Jun 2017    Post subject: Re: Road pricing in London Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
How does Khan get to work?

I'd guess by company chauffeur driven limo, so no cost for him.
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 21 Jun 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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A zone's different, with road pricing I don't see how you'll monitor people with cameras.

With, uh, more cameras. Same technology, just more of it.

My point is that it's not an all-or-nothing proposition; you don't have to charge every vehicle for every yard. Just throw up a few more ANPR cameras in the busiest roads and charge a fee every time a vehicle goes past one, same as they do with the zone(s) at the moment.

So they won't get every road (at first), but they'll start raking in income which will pay for putting up more and more cameras.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 22 Jun 2017    Post subject: Re: Road pricing in London Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
How does Khan get to work? Johnson at least put his pedals where his mouth is.

Vracktal wrote:
carpeting the city in ANPR

Isn't it already?

The usual total lack of mention of motorcycles. Let's see what the consultation has already decided when it's released today.


At the moment there's ad-hoc ANPR along a few of the main thoroughfares, pretty easy to recognise. The current congestion charge is the only specific ringfence of them in the city though, and even then there are some holes if you're sneaky. I'm not sure what ANPR coverage for C charge is actually like inside the circle or if it's entrance/exit only.

EDIT: Bit of googling turned up some FOI request with a bit more detail on the current scheme, looks like the congestion charge is enforced by specific cameras which may or may not be at the boundary only. Huh. https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/tfl_anpr_cameras_and_data
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