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Posted: 14:43 - 21 Jun 2017 Post subject: Internet quality/telephone cables |
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Hi all,
Yet another random noob question from someone who thinks mobile fones are instruments for government to spie on us.
Right, I'm with talktalk for my fone line rental & broadband.
I'm not planning on changing providers as had no problems & that's with at least 3 of us using internet simultaneously.
Talktalk say I should get speeds of up to 17mbs, (fibre IS available at my addressed btw but
according to the tests available on-line, I'm getting more like 6mbs.
Even moving the router can increase it by about 20%.
So, telephone wires.
Surely that's the weakest link, no?
The cable comes into house via a small box in bathroom then it disappears & comes out in my hall to a standard phone socket (into which router is plugged into)
I know these internal wires are at least 25+yrs old, cos I remember my late father installing them.
Would upgrading/replacing the internal wires improve things by much?
An ex BT engineer suggested it would, as its my weakest link.
& it looks as complicated as rewiring a plug, as b
Opinions?
cheers,
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You could try laying new cable direct between them as a test. Just buy 10 meters of telecom cable and make the connections as they are in the boxes now, then test.
If it works, then worry about going through the walls/under floors/in ceilings etc.
I've been meaning to get round to rewiring/ diverting mine as I have extensions laid under the floor and a bit of a strange route which I could probably halve, but to be honest I was told I would get 30-33, and I get 32Mbps all day long so I can't really be arsed.
Give it a crack. You can buy 100m from screwfix for £20 but if you want 20 meters let me know as I think I have a drum in the garage and I'm happy to post some to you |
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Posted: 01:16 - 22 Jun 2017 Post subject: Re: Internet quality/telephone cables |
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To get the best speed. You need router connected to the master socket coming into the house... Not a extension.
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hi,
i thought i'd update this, if anyones interested.
ok, so telephone line enters house via bathroom window-sill, using 1 of those small junction boxes.
the line obviously comes back out of this box, but who knows where it goes, as bathroom has been extensively worked on in the last 25yrs & its now a wet room.
the telephone line DOES re-appear though, outside the bathroom with a single cable coming out from behind the skirting board & then it goes up 6ft (yes, seriously) to a "bt master socket" (according to google).
this is the socket i have my router plugged into, as well as the house fone.
so, if theres any "weak link" its between both boxes, right? (seeing as the cables antique)
i have contacted my telephone line/broadband provider who have confirmed my internet speed has never gone over 9mbs in the past 12 months. (i live less than 2miles from the telephone exchange btw)
they have promised to look into this
any suggestions?
what annoys me is, im paying a tenner a month more than their current offer (unlimited broadbrand, up to 17mbs)
i wouldnt mind paying the extra, if i was getting a decent bloody service!
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As suggested, Cat5 or 6 Ethernet to the router first. Then speed test.
Work from there. Your old copper phone cable is 2 miles long, upgrading the last 25 year 20ft, will make very little difference unless the contacts are corroded where it punches in.
If it's a standard NTE5 faceplate or whatever they're called, try removing the faceplate and plugging direct into the test socket (the female socket the faceplate plugs into). This rules out all your internal phone wiring. You can also get around a 10% improvement on downstream SNR levels and Line Attenuation levels, just by fitting a filtered faceplate and binning your plug in one.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/5fn/Pressac-ADSL-NTEFACE-NTE5-compatible-ADSL-filtered-faceplate/B000IBIIPK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1498399550&sr=8-2&keywords=nte5+filtered+faceplate
If your router can display downstream SNR (noise margin) and Line Attenuation figures, what are they?
SNR is the "volume" difference between the broadband signal and the background noise. Over 9db is needed really for reliable broadband.
Line Attenuation is the drop in "volume" (it's not really volume, but you know what I mean) from the exchange to you. You need under 65db to get any sort of broadband, the lower the better.
A good line would be 10 + db SNR and 30 db or less Line Attenuation.
Fibre still uses the same copper cable from the cabinet to your house, so the last 50 or so yards of copper cable is unlikely to be the major hold up.
8-9Mbps on standard ADSL 2+, is pretty good to be honest. "Up to" speeds are just that. If you live next door to the exchange with brand new cabling, and nothing else plugged into the line, in a new build, you might get 16.9Mbps. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 313 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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