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| mpd72 wrote: | I see "Emily" signed a band up for the main pyramid stage at 4pm today, called Jeremy Corbyn.
Seriously, what the actual fuck? Even Glastonbury is a fecking left wing mouthpiece now? |
Unless you bought a ticket, the question that immediately springs to mind is, WTAF has it got to do with you?
| mpd72 wrote: | So you agree that a political leader should have been listed as a headline act on the main stage at a music festival then?
As if sitting through an hour of Craig David wasn't bad enough..
It's Emily Evis massaging her own personal ego trip.
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It's a private event, to attend you need a ticket and as such it's up to the organisers who appears.
Even if you were at the event, it's such a massive venue that you could easily go and do something else, when the bits you're not interested in pop up!
What exactly is your, real, objection?
Are objecting to freedom of speech?
Has anyone asked for a refund?
Where is the equivalent right wing response?
On a broader point, since the election there has been much right wing whining, along the lines of "it's not fair, people didn't vote for us", well durrr.
Maybe if the right wing actually had some new policies with a broader appeal, they might have got more votes.
Constantly whinging about "lefties" yet having no actual counterpoints and sticking to the same old ,inflexible, political dogma obviously has less voter appeal than it used to do!
Complaining about Jeremy Corbyn giving away"Free Stuff", is not a debate, it's merely jingoistic tub thumping, until the right wing come up with something new, with actual mass voter appeal then, in the not to distant future, they're going to find their brand of politics getting sidelined, for a long time.
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| Suntan Sid wrote: | It's a private event, to attend you need a ticket and as such it's up to the organisers who appears. |
Within a minute of getting on stage, Comrade Corbyn was banging on about a message to Donald Trump about building bridges, not walls.
This message was literally written on the wall around Glastonbury.
#NotAllWalls, apparently.
| Suntan Sid wrote: | Maybe if the right wing actually had some new policies with a broader appeal, they might have got more votes. |
The Tories under Sharia May got comfortably more votes than they managed under Camoron in 2010 or 2015. They got more than Tony Blair every managed.
| Suntan Sid wrote: | until the right wing come up with something new, with actual mass voter appeal |
The Tories under Sharia May got comfortably more votes than they managed under Camoron in 2010 or 2015. They got more than Tony Blair every managed.
| Suntan Sid wrote: | in the not to distant future, they're going to find their brand of politics getting sidelined, for a long time. |
The Tories under Sharia May got comfortably more votes than they managed under Camoron in 2010 or 2015. They got more than Tony Blair every managed.
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| Suntan Sid wrote: | | mpd72 wrote: | I see "Emily" signed a band up for the main pyramid stage at 4pm today, called Jeremy Corbyn.
Seriously, what the actual fuck? Even Glastonbury is a fecking left wing mouthpiece now? |
Unless you bought a ticket, the question that immediately springs to mind is, WTAF has it got to do with you?
| mpd72 wrote: | So you agree that a political leader should have been listed as a headline act on the main stage at a music festival then?
As if sitting through an hour of Craig David wasn't bad enough..
It's Emily Evis massaging her own personal ego trip.
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It's a private event, to attend you need a ticket and as such it's up to the organisers who appears.
Even if you were at the event, it's such a massive venue that you could easily go and do something else, when the bits you're not interested in pop up!
What exactly is your, real, objection?
Are objecting to freedom of speech?
Has anyone asked for a refund?
Where is the equivalent right wing response?
On a broader point, since the election there has been much right wing whining, along the lines of "it's not fair, people didn't vote for us", well durrr.
Maybe if the right wing actually had some new policies with a broader appeal, they might have got more votes.
Constantly whinging about "lefties" yet having no actual counterpoints and sticking to the same old ,inflexible, political dogma obviously has less voter appeal than it used to do!
Complaining about Jeremy Corbyn giving away"Free Stuff", is not a debate, it's merely jingoistic tub thumping, until the right wing come up with something new, with actual mass voter appeal then, in the not to distant future, they're going to find their brand of politics getting sidelined, for a long time. |
Music is something we should all enjoy, it should not be hijacked my Marxist movements and labelled as a political slant, just to satisfy the ego of the daughter of someone who built a festival up over reputation.
Craig David, Katie Perry and Corbyn on the main stage on the main night at Glastonbury? Nearly as bad as Kanye fecking West being the headline act.
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I take it you never were interested in the Sex Pistols or similar then?
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Also worth pointing out Corbyn won 4 more seats in his amazing victory than that lame duck Brown. |
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It has been a constant source of amusement to me that the most anti-establishment politician ever seems to have the anti-establishment brigade on his back. I have pointed this out to plenty of people and the most common reply is "oh yeah, I didn't think about it like that".
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| Suntan Sid wrote: | That's all very well but I'm inclined to say "so what" |
So, support for the Tories hasn't dropped. Even under a loathesome reptile like Sharia May, it actually increased.
What changed is that Corbyn bought a lot of votes with his protest-politician promises to shake the magical money tree and shower the feckless with unearned fantasy fiat currency, as though that somehow creates more real wealth.
| Kawasaki Jimbo wrote: | With politics there was only one flavour on offer. That ought to seem wrong even to the staunchest of Corbynites. |
Why would it seem wrong?
Corbyn is a communist who idolises Castro and Chavez.
I'm not saying that he'd ban all non-Party parties, but only because he couldn't get away with it.
What he does advocate is populism. In practice he's all for mob rule, as long as the mob is socialist, and just.
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With regards to bnp72 crying over the political influence in music. Obvs he'd be Ok with Jonny and co, because it suits his agenda. 
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| Rogerborg wrote: | So, support for the Tories hasn't dropped. Even under a loathesome reptile like Sharia May, it actually increased. |
Apparently only within safe tory seats!
| Rogerborg wrote: | What changed is that Corbyn bought a lot of votes with his protest-politician promises to shake the magical money tree and shower the feckless with unearned fantasy fiat currency, as though that somehow creates more real wealth. |
And where are the, serious, political arguments to counter that and win over those voters?
As far as I can tell whining and whinging about it and petty name calling isn't doing any good, at the moment, and never will.
| Rogerborg wrote: | Corbyn is a communist who idolises Castro and Chavez.
I'm not saying that he'd ban all non-Party parties, but only because he couldn't get away with it.
What he does advocate is populism. In practice he's all for mob rule, as long as the mob is socialist, and just. |
Same as the orange oaf then, minus the socialism and golf courses!
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And where are the, serious, political arguments to counter that and win over those voters?
As far as I can tell whining and whinging about it and petty name calling isn't doing any good, at the moment, and never will.
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How do you counter empty promises of thousands of pounds of free cash? It was a lie, something he'd never expect to have to honour. May's manifesto had to be made up of real genuine plans, not pretend vote winners.
He targeted a young, naive section of voters with bribes. It worked. He was publicly pulled up on the cost involved and failed. As did Abbot and Raynor with their unaffordable, unachievable, empty promises.
It was a manifesto designed for a party that had no expectations of winning, so the real life practicality of implementing it wasn't very important.
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| Suntan Sid wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | So, support for the Tories hasn't dropped. Even under a loathesome reptile like Sharia May, it actually increased. |
Apparently only within safe tory seats! |
How! Many! Seats! Is! That!?
Tory votes rose by 10.9%. Depending on your definition of "safe" seats, do you think it rose by 20% or 30% or 50% in those seats?
Tory support went up by 10.9%. The big story was that Labour votes went up by a whopping 37.8%, because we have an entire generation of voters who don't remember the last real labour government in the 1970s, and how it all fell apart when inflation overtook their ability to print, borrow and bribe the revolting workers.
You should remember that, and should know better.
Do you really want to go back to that?
Not that it'll affect you, since you're part of the super-rich elite and can just flee permanently to your foreign tax haven. 
| Suntan Sid wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | What changed is that Corbyn bought a lot of votes with his protest-politician promises to shake the magical money tree |
And where are the, serious, political arguments to counter that and win over those voters? |
You can't make a serious counter offer to free money, because it's not a serious policy to begin with.
Of course proles want to believe that increasing income tax, wealth tax and inheritance tax on the super-rich (you know, people with multiple houses in different countries) will result in a jackpot win for them.
Never mind that shuffling fiat currency around doesn't actually create anything.
Never mind that the super-rich (people with multiple houses in different countries) are perfectly capable of fleeing the country, as they did in Venezuela.
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| mpd72 wrote: | How do you counter empty promises of thousands of pounds of free cash? It was a lie |
If it was a lie what are you worried about
| mpd72 wrote: | May's manifesto had to be made up of real genuine plans, not pretend vote winners. |
That'll be the same manifesto that they've hastily dropped!
Seriously, you'd struggle to find a political commentator from either end of the spectrum who didn't say the tory manifesto was a disaster. So disastrous that the people behind it lost their jobs!
| mpd72 wrote: | He targeted a young, naive section of voters with bribes. It worked. He was publicly pulled up on the cost involved and failed. As did Abbot and Raynor with their unaffordable, unachievable, empty promises.
It was a manifesto designed for a party that had no expectations of winning, so the real life practicality of implementing it wasn't very important. |
And what, precisely, did the tory manifesto offer the young?
Was there anything on offer among the fox hunting, dementia tax, cuts to services, same old same old wibble, FFS?
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