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The Xbox One X is a interesting piece of hardware, but that's about it for me. A gaming console is as good as the games that are released for it. I think Microsoft is lacking in this department + the big games such as Forza are being released on w10, where the game look and playe better on ''cheaper'' PC hardware.
Option 3: Playstation 4 Pro
1800p + upscale to 4K (won't notice) + HDR + VR (that's what you like) + the games (Although Microsoft promised more games to be released for the Xbox)
On a different note, I was considering the Xbox One X as well. Then, I do not own a 4K display and the games I would play on it, can be played on a mid-range PC, including the until recently exclusive Forza.
Also, I know the 4K is the new ''must have'' feature, but 4K gaming on a console is not the same as on the PC, just like the FullHD never was. The resolution of the picture is one thing, but there's also the frame rate + gfx effects and quality + post-processing + even the loading times and so on is, what matters.
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Paddy. wrote: | RhynoCZ wrote: | Option 3: Playstation 4 Pro |
A Playstation 4 Pro is in no way any competition to the Xbox One X... no where close.
Its due to the shitty ps4 that Destiny 2 has been locked down on consoles at 30fps. It can go fuck a goblin.
Jayy, I partly agree with the console is only as good as the games made for it. I'd keep the PC updated if you want to do proper beastly stuff. |
You only prove my point.
The new Xbox won't run any more games in 60fps than the PS4 does today. It's a simple matter of compute power. Both consoles, One X and PS4 Pro, have a 8 core CPU. Xbox clocked at 2.3GHz, PS4 Pro at 2.1GHz. GPU wise it's 6 teraflops vs 4.2 teraflops. RAM not being important for the frame rate.
What I'm trying to say, if for example the Destiny 2 runs at 30fps today, it won't run double the frame rate tomorrow. There is a chance though, they reduce the image quality, lock the game at 1080p only (or even lower) and will give you 60fps on the new Xbox console, but then people will come and complain about the reduced image quality and 1080p output only.
*Speaking of the same game/port for multiple platforms.
That being said, it's the games why people should buy their consoles, not the raw computing power. We had very powerful consoles in the past, they all failed due to lack of quality games being released for them. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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This is the projector I'm on about :
https://www.optoma.co.uk/projectorproduct/uhd60
Going to be priced @ £2,500 which is massively acceptable considering before these are released, you were looking at £6,000 for a true 4K projector.
They haven't released it yet, it's due any day and the final specs are not 100% nailed down either until they announce it.
As for projectors and blacks / whites, never really bothered me. Mine is pretty good for that but the sheer size just amazes you and I think having a good screen is paramount as well.
Honestly, moving from 1080p to 4K will be mind blowing, especially @ 150 ish inch. It's never going to be as good as a high end 4K tv because of the panels, etc but even my projector still blows me away when you sit there watching a film and think, fuck, look how good that looks. |
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Jayy wrote: | even my projector still blows me away when you sit there watching a film and think, fuck, look how good that looks. |
Mine also (still on 1080p). Even more, it highlights weak compression - Amazon Prime video in particular suffers, more than Netflix. Torrented video? Forget about being happy with the image quality.
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Something worth seeing (Xbox One X performance and games 4K vs 1080p/900p): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_7iD9wjdCE ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Im-a-Ridah wrote: | TBF who actually cares that much about the small differences in image quality while playing a game? |
To use a quote from a Motörhead song: ''It's all about the game and how you play it.''
If PS4 taught me something, then console players have very low standards at this department. I don't ming worse image quality and post processing, but I do mind inconsistent frame rate (+noise/heat, loading times). I also do not mind 30fps, I played Mass Effect Andromeda in 30fps on my cheap GTX1050 Ti (with no frame drops in Ultra quality and 1080p, which is something consoles couldn't do). But in the 30fps games, the frame rate drops a lot to low 20's and some games go even bellow that. The games are still playable, but it is quite disappointing. You start question who does the quality control at Sony or any other publisher. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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The thing is, M.C, this should not be a an issue today. Releasing games that run at 25 fps and lower should not be happening, regardless of the HW.
There are some very nice exclusive games for PS4, very pollished and running at locked 30fps with no frame drops regardles of what's going on on the screen. Then there are games such as Until Dawn, that run at 25fps and drop bellow 20fps. The very random jumps to over 40fps are not helping, as the inconsistensy of the frame rate make the game play terrible. In fact, I never really cared about frame rates, until I got a PS4.
You might say, buy a PS4 Pro then, well no. That thing runs some games even worse and isn't really a improvement, that would be worth the money. If you don't want/need 4K (even if it's 1800p) and you play ports anyway, then as many times mentioned GTX1050Ti with even a dual core Pentium G46XX and 8GB of ram on the cheapest H motherboard with an whatever HDD, in whatever case and PSU will give you not only compareable, but even better 1080p gaming performance. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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M.C wrote: | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | TBF who actually cares that much about the small differences in image quality while playing a game? |
I don't, but the tearing and slow down you get on 'next gen' games' quite appalling. I know it's always been an issue to a certain extent, MotoGP 06 ran poorly on the 360 (for example) and that was early on in the cycle, and for that platform only. But when you get tearing on the latest F1 game it's a bit shit really. |
RhynoCZ wrote: | Im-a-Ridah wrote: | TBF who actually cares that much about the small differences in image quality while playing a game? |
To use a quote from a Motörhead song: ''It's all about the game and how you play it.''
If PS4 taught me something, then console players have very low standards at this department. I don't ming worse image quality and post processing, but I do mind inconsistent frame rate (+noise/heat, loading times). I also do not mind 30fps, I played Mass Effect Andromeda in 30fps on my cheap GTX1050 Ti (with no frame drops in Ultra quality and 1080p, which is something consoles couldn't do). But in the 30fps games, the frame rate drops a lot to low 20's and some games go even bellow that. The games are still playable, but it is quite disappointing. You start question who does the quality control at Sony or any other publisher. |
Minimum FPS and the like actually impact on gaming performance, that is absolutely valid. People too often talk about max FPS, but it's the minimum FPS that you actually notice. But my point is really about image quality, like how detailed the flowers are in an FPS doesn't seem to make much sense to me as a "need". It's not as if these people ever actually look at the scenery, they just run around fragging stuff. |
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