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Tracer1234
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Quick Licence Question? Reply with quote
So my old man got his licence in in 85. As far as we know that means he can ride a 50cc without a CBT, but needs one for a 125, which currently he has. But he does not have a full motorcycle licence.

Inspired by the DVLA thread, I have just had a look online out of boredom/interest as he has a host of other stuff e.g. articulate lorry etc and saw this.

But, looking online it shows this. Does that mean he can get any size Tricycle?

https://s20.postimg.org/ifoycysel/IMG_20170714_131828.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
He could.

But, the main query is why would he. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paddy. wrote:
He could.

But, the main query is why would he. Laughing


Indeed that is the question. Insightful as ever lol.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Aren't those Piaggio MP3s classed as tricycles?
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gunna send him this.

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PostPosted: 14:06 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fizzoid wrote:
Aren't those Piaggio MP3s classed as tricycles?


only if the front wheels are over a set distance apart,

There are, I believe two models sold, one for mopedists who don't like putting their feet down and one for car drivers who don't want to sit in traffic but don't want to do their CBT

There are also conversion kits to make one into the other but the DVLA go by the frame number so doesn't achieve anything

all of the above is based on an article I read in a magazine in the barbers last time I went for a hair cut
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wonko The Sane wrote:
Fizzoid wrote:
Aren't those Piaggio MP3s classed as tricycles?


only if the front wheels are over a set distance apart,

There are, I believe two models sold, one for mopedists who don't like putting their feet down and one for car drivers who don't want to sit in traffic but don't want to do their CBT

There are also conversion kits to make one into the other but the DVLA go by the frame number so doesn't achieve anything

all of the above is based on an article I read in a magazine in the barbers last time I went for a hair cut


If the distance between tread centres is less than 18", it's classed as one wheel, so one version is a bicycle, the other is a trike.

I haven't had to use it yet, but I made up a tool for measuring the precise distance, as I can't MOT the trike version, because it's a different classification that I'm not qualified for.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Paddy. wrote:
He could.

But, the main query is why would he. Laughing


Because they are fun in a funny way Paddy. I suppose you have to be a poseur to ride one but I loved mine (so yes, I am a poseur) Laughing . It used to draw crowds wherever I parked it, even more so with a trailer attached. Cool

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PostPosted: 15:05 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Funny it's marked as an A unless they're automatically switching people from the old B1 to A for trikes.

Shaft wrote:


If the distance between tread centres is less than 18", it's classed as one wheel, so one version is a bicycle, the other is a trike.

I haven't had to use it yet, but I made up a tool for measuring the precise distance, as I can't MOT the trike version, because it's a different classification that I'm not qualified for.


Where did that garbage come from. Common sense say the piaggio things should fit into both categories.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jmoan wrote:


Shaft wrote:


If the distance between tread centres is less than 18", it's classed as one wheel, so one version is a bicycle, the other is a trike.

I haven't had to use it yet, but I made up a tool for measuring the precise distance, as I can't MOT the trike version, because it's a different classification that I'm not qualified for.


Where did that garbage come from. Common sense say the piaggio things should fit into both categories.


Most recently it's an EU directive and can also be found in the MSVA regs, but it actually dates back to the 60s (which is why I gave the measurement in inches instead of millimetres - 460) and the invention of the light van with twin wheel axles.

IIRC, the rules were changed after pressure from haulage companies, to put twin wheelers in a different (cheaper) tax and weight category.

Piaggio are just one of the companies that have exploited it.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
He can yes, but its highly recommended he does a CBT or some lessons on a scooter so he knows what its like to ride a twist and go trike (i think thats pretty much the only sort of trike that is commercially available).
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Tracer1234
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Re: Quick Licence Question? Reply with quote
Waaarrrggghhh wrote:

He can yes, but its highly recommended he does a CBT or some lessons on a scooter so he knows what its like to ride a twist and go trike


Tracer1234 wrote:
So my old man got his licence in in 85. As far as we know that means he can ride a 50cc without a CBT, but needs one for a 125, which currently he has.


Yeah, thanks for that. Neutral Rolling Eyes

+ Used to ride bigger bikes when the licencing was different back in the day
+plus is on his 2nd cbt
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
As I understand it, anyone that passed their car driving test before 1st Jan 2013 can drive/ride a Trike on that licence.

If you didn't get your driving licence before 1/1/13 then you need to pass a full 'A' bike test to ride a trike (although some engine size restrictions may apply etc etc..).
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Shaft wrote:
I made up a tool for measuring the precise distance, as I can't MOT the trike version, because it's a different classification that I'm not qualified for.

It's only in the last 2 or 3 years that the DVLA got arsey about Class 3 MOTs.
There aren't many places about that do them anymore... Mad
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 14 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alpineandy wrote:
Shaft wrote:
I made up a tool for measuring the precise distance, as I can't MOT the trike version, because it's a different classification that I'm not qualified for.

It's only in the last 2 or 3 years that the DVLA got arsey about Class 3 MOTs.
There aren't many places about that do them anymore... Mad


What annoys me is that the system hasn't kept pace with rest of the World.

In the days when the vast majority of three wheelers were cars with a wheel missing, the current system was fine; now trikes are mainly hacked up bikes and have far more in common with them.

This means that to qualify for a Class 3 ticket, I have to do the Class 4 (car) course, when it would now be more relevant to include it as part of the Class1/2 qualification.

Unfortunately, there is no budget for updating the bike test procedures, so this isn't likely to change for the foreseeable; the upside to which (for the consumer) is that the bike test isn't likely to get any harder to pass for a long time.
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PostPosted: 06:02 - 18 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
In reference to the MP3 things, to avoid wait times some unscrupulous dealers simply added a spacer to separate the wheels to the required distance. If you're gonna buy one from the used market (can you still even get them new?) make sure you take a good, long look at the V5 and try to figure out what exact category it's registered under.
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PostPosted: 06:46 - 18 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alpineandy wrote:
As I understand it, anyone that passed their car driving test before 1st Jan 2013 can drive/ride a Trike on that licence.

If you didn't get your driving licence before 1/1/13 then you need to pass a full 'A' bike test to ride a trike (although some engine size restrictions may apply etc etc..).


If you passed your car test before 2013 you can ride/drive trikes (bike based or reliants or whatever). If you passed after then you can't drive/ride a trike without a full A licence.
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PostPosted: 14:07 - 18 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tracer1234 wrote:
Gunna send him this.

https://s20.postimg.org/5quntama5/Screenshot_2017-07-14_at_13.30.33.png


But what about that Rainpal/KappaViper you were going to buy him for christmas?!
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 18 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fizzoid wrote:
Aren't those Piaggio MP3s classed as tricycles?


I don't think that they are. There's two classes: The LT and Urbane versions can be ridden on a car licence because of the spacing of the wheels and they have a foot brake. The rest sit under a regular motorcycle license (or CBT if it's the 125 overpriced bag of shit that I had.)
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PostPosted: 13:22 - 19 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
temeluchus wrote:
If you passed your car test before 2013 you can ride/drive trikes (bike based or reliants or whatever). If you passed after then you can't drive/ride a trike without a full A licence.

Isn't that what I said?
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PostPosted: 02:27 - 20 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Alpineandy wrote:
temeluchus wrote:
If you passed your car test before 2013 you can ride/drive trikes (bike based or reliants or whatever). If you passed after then you can't drive/ride a trike without a full A licence.

Isn't that what I said?


Like I can be arsed to read through the usual bcf wall of sperg!
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PostPosted: 09:23 - 20 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd ride this trike:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FORMULA-1-F1-JPS-SPORTCYCLE-TRIKE-ROAD-LEGAL-HONDA-BLACKBIRD-1200-POWERED-LOOK-/122598831131?hash=item1c8b75b41b:g:lHMAAOSwXXxZSkqZ
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 23 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
I thought trikes were given with car licences again after the conservatives got back into power but can't find any notice of it.


Shaft wrote:

Most recently it's an EU directive and can also be found in the MSVA regs, but it actually dates back to the 60s (which is why I gave the measurement in inches instead of millimetres - 460) and the invention of the light van with twin wheel axles.

IIRC, the rules were changed after pressure from haulage companies, to put twin wheelers in a different (cheaper) tax and weight category.

Piaggio are just one of the companies that have exploited it.


So all due to red tape.
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 23 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wonko The Sane wrote:
Fizzoid wrote:
Aren't those Piaggio MP3s classed as tricycles?


only if the front wheels are over a set distance apart,

There are, I believe two models sold, one for mopedists who don't like putting their feet down and one for car drivers who don't want to sit in traffic but don't want to do their CBT

There are also conversion kits to make one into the other but the DVLA go by the frame number so doesn't achieve anything

all of the above is based on an article I read in a magazine in the barbers last time I went for a hair cut

Someone told me the same thing. There's a cager friendly model and a biker friendly model. Apparently they have a don't fall over mode or something, although the person I knew who had one said he had dropped it multiple times getting it out his garage, as the thing was so heavy.
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