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Posted: 17:15 - 24 Jul 2017 Post subject: Gypsies and Travellers |
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I've met many Folks from the "traditional and "new age" travelling communities, have made many good friends and a few enemies in both camps.
They don't generally get on, but one thing that unites them is the hatred that they feel from the general population.
Quite fair, some may say, and having some valuable stainless steel robbed from my garden some 20 odd years ago by some travellers,
I will agree that yes, some of them are right thieving fuckers.
In their defence, however, I would like to argue that if you criminalise a section of society whose morals or ethics you disagree with, you have effectively "Outlawed"them, can you legitimately complain, then, when they operate outside your laws and conventions?
Local Councils have legal obligations to provide facilities for travellers,but don't. When travellers buy their own land, they are met by opposition and hostility from locals.
I get that..... no-one wants a bunch of thieving cunts who leave shit everywhere living next to them.....but who made them outlaws?
On a different subject,
Bikers. What is there problem?
Bikers, with their helmets and leathers, seem scary to a large section of the general population, and when we jump straight to the traffic lights or filter through trafffic most People think we are breaking some sort of rule, hence, to them, we are also some kind of "outlaw"
Dunno about you all, but I have friends from all over this tiny planet, and the only real enemies I have are those fuckers who presume to tell me what I should think ./endrant |
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They've broken in to the car park of our local crematorium and grave yard and set up camp.
No, can't imagine at all why everyone fucking hates them |
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Posted: 17:53 - 24 Jul 2017 Post subject: Re: Gypsies and Travellers |
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Stoker wrote: |
In their defence, however, I would like to argue that if you criminalise a section of society whose morals or ethics you disagree with, you have effectively "Outlawed"them, can you legitimately complain, then, when they operate outside your laws and conventions?
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Would this also apply to murderers and so on?
Can we complain, because we've "outlawed" their activities.
There's reasons the laws exist and often it's related to 'fairness'.
Plenty of people live a less-standard life style and rarely find any problems - generally because they are respectful of the rest of society, rather than expecting them to provide special provisions. Rather than blatantly flouting rules.
So yes - it boils down to the way they act, which seems perfectly reasonable.
Very rare I've found any issue with being "a biker" - well, the cafe staff at a previous company did suggest that "If you can ride a bike you can carry your own tray" (I was on crutches for a broken leg, but made some crutch holders for my bike so I wasn't stuck in a car.) But barely more than that. |
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Posted: 18:20 - 24 Jul 2017 Post subject: Re: Gypsies and Travellers |
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Stoker wrote: | In their defence, however, I would like to argue that if you criminalise a section of society whose morals or ethics you disagree with, you have effectively "Outlawed"them, can you legitimately complain, then, when they operate outside your laws and conventions?
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.....but who made them outlaws?
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....Bikers, with their helmets and leathers, seem scary to a large section of the general population, and when we jump straight to the traffic lights or filter through trafffic most People think we are breaking some sort of rule, hence, to them, we are also some kind of "outlaw" |
You've said it yourself, they choose to do illegal stuff, they made themselves 'outlaws'.
The difference between filtering to the front of a queue and pikeys squatting on other peoples land, dumping waste and thieving, is that filtering is legal even if some dim-wits don't understand that.
They are scum.
Local councils should owe them nothing until the start paying some taxes.
If they fucked off some place where people don't pay tax then they wouldn't automatically be robbing out of everyone else's pocket, but they don't.
They stay here and abuse anything they can get their hands on, usually whilst earning/thieving behind the tax mans back.
If it was just the tax man they were swerving whilst not trying to claim benefits on anything possible, then it would be less of an issue (apart from the thieving, squatting and fly-tipping), but they don't.
They are pretty much all, with very very few exceptions, the scum of the earth... ____________________ The above comment isn't necessarily the truth and anyone that says it is, is only correct if it's the truth or they're bigger than me. |
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I think the OP has misread the room |
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Absolute pikey scum who think they are above the law and teach their thieving pikey offspring to be the same at an early age.
Hate them with ALMOST the same passion I hate Ms Abbott.
Edit to say they are also migrating to the canals. Water Gypsys or Bargee Travellers they call themselves. Still the same thieving lowlifes as their land based rat life scum. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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We get a load once a year on our local fields. The fucking mess they make and leave is a joke. If they were to bag all the rubbish up and take it to the local tip, not fly tip everywhere and use their caravan toilets instead on shitting all over the fields that are clearly marked by the shitty toilet roll (or socks) then maybe the locals, myself included wouldn't mind as much.
Its simple, if you shit on your door step people will not like you, if you shit on your neighbors door step while claiming its yours then you're likly to be shot at.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/travellers-shots-salford-van-left-11761815 |
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Posted: 19:30 - 24 Jul 2017 Post subject: Re: Gypsies and Travellers |
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You're worth what you create for others.
Individuals and groups that exist only to consume have no value as human beings. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Is that s a bcf BBQ thread
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This thread makes me wonder. Why do we, Czechs, get all the crap about racism towards gipsies, when you all have exactly the same opinion about this sort of people? They are loud, have no respect to local laws and property of others and have no intention to integrate into our society. They don't teach their children any useful skills, instead of that they just let them dance and sing all day long, so when it's then time to start going to school, they don't learn well, have strong resistance against education and their parrents blame the system and/or tell their children to not worry.
So this goes on, and then you have 10 year olds that can't read nor write and start to make troubles, because why not. What do you do with such children that can't just pass the primary school? You send them to a special needs school, where they don't do much either.
That, the segregation of gipsy children, is what pisses the western politicians the most. Then, gipsies are great actors, whenever there is a reporter from abroad, they can very convincingly portray their every day struggle of being dependent on social benefits and jobless. They say there is no work for them. Well if you can't read, write, count to ten... and your CV says finished the 5th grade of the primary school (primary school has 9 grades here), then there is no wonder the employers seem reluctant. And when such people get a job, they don't tend to stay there for long for various reasons.
BUT, they are not all like that, about 10% of them actually can read, write... and have a job + teach their children to be valuable members of the society. The issue is the 90% though.
And then, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4vzVncozDs&t=0s ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Alpineandy wrote: | RhynoCZ wrote: | Why do we, Czechs, get all the crap about racism towards gipsies, |
I've seen you mention that before, but you're the only person that I've ever seen mention it.
I've never heard any of my European friends say anything about Czech/Gypsies....
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Paranoia heavily fueled by Brussels and Human rights organisations from all over the globe. The European Commission and others made it clear, that they don't quite like the Gipsy children segregation in public schools, that it is a breach of the EU law, discriminatory.
You have a 10 years old child that can't read, write, count to ten... yet you want to give him some education. What would you do? - Special needs school, perhaps? Which is what happens here, a lot. Gipsy parrents don't care about the education of their children. So this goes on, until they are 15/16 years old when they ''DNF'' graduate. This creates very under qualified people who know far too well, that instead of going to work (what can you do when you can't really read/write/even speak...), they can stay at home and get slightely more money from the social benefits programs. These people then have their own children and it all start all over again.
In my life, I've only met 3 Gipsies, that actually became valuable members of the society. One of them even graduated at a university. The odd thing was thought, they never reffered to themselves as gipsies. They just called themselves Czechs. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Rogerborg wrote: | RhynoCZ wrote: | Why do we, Czechs, get all the crap about racism towards gipsies |
Point at anyone here's done that, or who cares. |
Roger, look at the video about the Sheffield's community. That's what I am talking about and you just have to experience the real Roma/Gipsy behaviour to understand.
In Slovakia, they establish their own villages on someone else's property. Build houses from whatever they can steal, even things such as road guard railings. The owners of the land are helpless, can't do much about it. Google that up, quite interesting stuff.
The ''Crematorium camp'' idea, that J4mes was talking about, is far more real than some would assume. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 278 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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