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bhinso wrote: | Whilst we're doing this, what are the world's largest polluters going to be doing (i.e. USA, and increasingly China). |
Do they contribute to roadside pollution in the UK?
I don't give a stuff about CO2. NOx and particulates do appear to be pretty nasty.
Although diesels look to be the big culprits, so just mandating petrol would seem to solve that.
Likewise, it's farcical that London is hitting pre-Euro-3 bikes with the ULEZ mugging since their contributions to N0x are (by TfL's and the DfT's own admission) almost too low to be measured. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Got a Zero FXS, the 40~45 mile range on a single charge, which can take around 1h given the right charging station & accessories, is limiting but the damn thing weights in at under 135kg.
For the most part I absolutely love it. A single charge does the commute to work and a few town errand runs, which its absolutely perfect for given the weight and riding position. Sure, it's top speed is on the slightly low side but then again any faster and it would need more batteries (there's the DS range with a higher top speed and weighing in at around 200kg). My biggest issue is the lack of noise, it really puts you in the cyclist category of road presence.
Honestly the combination of range & charging times of the Zero line up make me think motorbikes are a better way to push people onto electric vehicles.
Point of interest while I did purchase a high power petrol engined car this time around it was only because a cold hard look at the charging infrastructure for electric & plugin-hybrid vehicles was so poor as to effectively be useless for anything other than short local trips or very well planned long journeys. ____________________ Bikes: '17 Zero FX ZF6.5, '16 BMW R1200 RS, '12 Triumph Daytona 675
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Fuel cells maybe? So rather than charging batteries you merely top up the chemicals that cause the reaction instead of the battery unit.
Years ago I did some experiments with magnesium sea water batteries. Pretty weak, but all you had to do was carry some magnesium plates and some salt.
Personally I think in the world of 2040 there will simply be less need to travel. First off not as many people will be working.
Also the population that is living may live in mega cities or gigantic self contained buildings.
Jing-Jin-Ji for example or the GZ-SZ-HK mega city area. Add in super high speed rail and fast inteurban transport and cars/bikes may be changed merely to toys. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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£12,500 and upwards.
InB4 "yahbut, subsidies", we all end up paying for those, and they hide the true cost.
Yamaha have gone verrrry quiet about their long promised electrobikes.
At the moment, and for all the future that I can foresee, electric vehicles are going to remain out of the reach of the Just About Managing. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Posted: 17:53 - 26 Jul 2017 Post subject: |
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A couple of days ago we heard how:
"Ministers are reportedly set to encourage people to generate their own power with solar panels, store it in batteries and sell it to the National Grid.
Changes to the rules on electricity usage and storage could save UK consumers billions, including encouraging people to generate their own power and sell it to the National Grid, ministers added.
According to Ofgem, the energy regulator, individuals could save as much as £40bn by 2050 if new rules – due to come into effect over the next year – are successful. "
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-households-electricity-production-batteries-storage-greg-clark-business-secretary-tech-investment-a7856586.html
Solar panels plus off the grid storage would mean the cost for running an electric car would be very low.
No more new petrol or diesel vehicles would make an ever increasing shortfall in tax revenue. |
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Flippin' heck, I hate electric even more than I hate diesel, and there will be a similar government climb down regarding electric in the future. They're listening to the wrong experts.
Don't get me wrong, electric vehicles are cool toys but where does electricity come from? Wind, tide, solar? Yes a little, but mainly generated using fossil fuels because those renewable technologies, despite decades of development, won't fulfil our huge energy requirements efficiently. Likewise, hydrogen and battery technologies. Any late, miraculous developments are likely to use chemical elements which are very expensive and difficult to mine and purify, not to mention dispose of.
We need to look at biology which has had eons to develop sustainable energy generation technologies. In fact we already are. Biofuels from microbial fermentation of waste products (of which we have plenty) are the answer, and are truly green. They would also use existing combustion engine technologies and fuel distribution infrastructures. Just need to work out how best to tax them.
Also, bio-oil, and especially the complex mix in crude oil, has a vital role as a feedstock in the manufacture of chemicals for plastics, medicines, you name it. In fact, burning such a resource is a little bit mental. |
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There is one driver of 'progress', a new product. I don't mean developing smaller phones, or that they are converging with computers. I mean things like the very first personal computer, the very first mobile phones. Both generated whole new industries, lucrative industries. I was at the pointy end of the VCR revolution, it made fortunes for everyone. Before that, the TV, before that, the radio... etc.
Right now, everything has had the profit developed out of it, we are essentially running on mature technology. I'm no lover of electric vehicles AS THEY STAND. But a laterally developed personal transport system might well re-energise a moribund technological sector.
We ran on the back of filthy coal for 100 years, have run on marginally less filthy refined coal for the last 100. It is time to move on, even given the glaringly obvious problems. ____________________ The CBR900RR has been sold. Aprilia Falco worms its way into my heart.
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You're right. They're not that bad at all. Unless you want to go further than a 37.37 mile lap. Then they're pretty bad, unless you like pushing heavy objects around. ____________________ There ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk.
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does it matter? we'll probably run out soon after anyway ____________________ Observation is the greatest source of wisdom. |
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Dalemac wrote: | What about plans to ban fuel burning vehicles that are used in infrastructure, such as trains, lorries, vans, etc.
It's always the general public that take the hit first.
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Long distance mass transport and freight will likely be the last to change because, as well as being harder to greenify, they're also most vital to keeping an economy going. So there'll be no silly levies or bans until there's absolutely something to ensure everything keeps running smoothly. At least, that's how it should be in theory.
General public on the other hand could be economised greatly without much of a problem. Buses, electric cars, electric bikes, pushbikes etc. Tons of ways to cut emissions in that area without affecting the viability of individuals getting themselves to and from work. |
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Just like fibre broadband main centres of population will get the charging points but if you live in smaller town or rural area you will be last on the list with no charging option for miles - and be running elderly vehicle with ever more taxes piled on to encourage you to switch to impractical electric.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/25/new-diesel-petrol-cars-banned-uk-roads-2040-government-unveils/
How exciting that money will be found to remove bumps and smooth traffic flow - the exact opposite of what money has been found for over the past 20 years where policy has been to deliberately cause congestion. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 300 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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