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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 08:19 - 02 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
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All I can see is a massive increase in new car sales in the years leading upto the sale ban. Then people hanging onto these for years. Shocked

We'll become like Cuba.

Well, demographically anyway. Whistle
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 02 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

40-50% is for long term storage, not a couple of days.

Lithium goes bad when its fully discharged, so the vehicle has a battery management system to prevent you ever doing this (just like lots of modern vehicles don't take well to being run out of fuel, some transits for instance will cough and splutter and then die artificially with fuel still in the tank to avoid owners running them dry)

It also doesnt like being repeatedly fully charged, which is why most chargers go to 80-85% by default.

A lot of the issues with fast charging I believe are temperature related and most of these cars have battery cooling systems.

It's funny when you get into it, that power/speed is a byproduct of charging. Electric car performance isnt driven by the motor specs, its driven by the maximum discharge rate of the battery. This in turn is driven by the number of cells, so the teslas with greater range have more performance and take less time to charge per kWh
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 02 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
On the other hand Lithium doesn't like being kept full or left empty- should be at about 50% so if you didn't use it for a few days you might have to wait while it recharged from safe storage level.


Months, not days. Days is entirely fine to leave as is ( though if your SoC is really low you should charge up ). But if you plan to leave it in storage for a couple of months then yeah, store it at around 40% and keep an eye on the SoC.

However saying that the engineering chaps over at Farasis, who make batteries, point out that with good BMS system, you might as well just leave it plugged in while in storage for all the difference it actually makes in the real world.

Aside from the theory, in practise I've happily left my Zero for a week or so on some random charge, it's done 15 thousand miles and is still on 100% usable capacity.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 02 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Batteries? Hydrogen? Myself, I'm waiting for the quantum transport system Mr. Green

Sorry, been watching too much BBC4 Smile
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 05 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solar roads? https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b090f9df/click-what-happens-in-vegas Didn't we do this (solar roadways)? Confused

Edit: on topic as they go onto driverless cars.
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 05 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

EEVblog on Youtube happily debunks several Solar Roadways, and the marketing wank they come out with.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 05 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

We might all end up owning what are basically slot cars on a giant Scalextric set with little input into what happens.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 05 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you want to own one when there'll be Uber self driving cars? They could operate in a way similar to Boris Bikes; when book an Uber one will arrive from the nearest charging point and once it's delivered to you your destination then it'll calculate which charging point it should go and wait at.

You could get a discounted price if you're happy for the car to be picking up and delivering other people on a similar route.

Reducing the number of vehicles on the roads would have the largest impact on pollutions. It's about efficiency. For loads of people their car is just for the simplest way of getting from A to B so people don't need to own the car used for those journeys.

People driving their own cars would know that every single self driving Uber car has the same 'driver' as they'd use exactly the same calculations / algorithms / Skynet.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 05 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThatDippyTwat wrote:
EEVblog on Youtube happily debunks several Solar Roadways, and the marketing wank they come out with.

Seems to be a different group of Frenchies.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 09 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

Refinement of current lithium-ion tech isn't going to do it.


No, but a replacement might just though

https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/renewables/does-new-glass-battery-accelerate-the-end-of-oil

Considering this research has been carried out by one of the Li-On battery inventors, it may have a little more creedance than some of the other theories.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 09 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

QFT.
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 09 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Ahh, missed your find on the topic ..
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 09 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recycling, very ecomental. Wink
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 09 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:


And you still can't in a lot of places e.g. here North York Moors because they don't want to know about areas with fewer people - same goes for fibre broadband, after suggesting funding might be forthcoming for about 10 years they essential say nope you will have to install something yourself.

The same thing will happen with electric cars, there won't be places you can top up without going ten miles if your own charging set up fails for any reason.


However, us rural folk now have B4RN which is 1Gbps symmetrical net, and way better than the shared BT crap that those city types get, so it's not all bad Wink
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