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Posted: 15:36 - 15 Aug 2017 Post subject: Detailed bike chain comparison test |
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Bennetts, of course.
They're not disinterested parties. They've very interested, actually: they don't want to be paying out for stolen bikes.
Disappointingly, they didn't test Pragmasis, but they did test Almax.
tl;dr summary, unsuprisingly:
Almax Immobiliser Series V & Squire SS80CS
What was slightly unexpected was that the best angle grinder performance came from Squire 16mm and 19mm chains, not Almax.
They rate the Oxfraud Monster XL well because of its resistance to cropping and sledgehammer attacks, but the angle grinder went through it in just 17 seconds, so you'd better hope your thief is planning to do it the hard, bulky, old fashioned way. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Good thing they provide ground anchors
https://i.imgur.com/UhIAWPc.jpg ____________________ Observation is the greatest source of wisdom.
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Posted: 12:41 - 16 Aug 2017 Post subject: Re: Detailed bike chain comparison test |
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el_oso wrote: | Not sure the angle grinder is a necessary test and how relevant this metric is when deciding on a chain. |
Given the number of thefts carried out using angle grinders now, I'd say pretty relevant.
el_oso wrote: | I wonder how many tooled up thieves have got out their battery angle grinder and after 30 seconds given up because they had to flip the link over and cut the other side? |
In the past, some. In the future, fewer.
There was a chap recently had his Ducati nicked by a swarm of vermin that removed his disk lock by cutting through the disk (twice), while threatening the owner. Fucks given, zero. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Fair point. They do say that right up front, and that good security is just moving the problem to the next bike along. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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ah, wasn't able to catch the videos, due to lack of available internet access at work.
Not sure if this was mentioned in the videos, but with the pragmasis, almax and one of the squires (at least) you can pass links through other links and shorten the chain. Enabling you to take the chain off the floor decreasing the number of attacks that can be used effectively.
As for 'companies should be providing more secure parking for bikes', I would have to disagree (in part). Motorcycles are relatively lucky in that, most places in the UK, you don't pay for parking. Cars however do. Granted they take up less space, but they still take up space, which runs at quite a premium in London. For that reason I would amend that statement to 'I wish companies provided secure motorcycle parking for a fee'. 19mm chains permanently affixed to a post where you hire a lock for a day would be something that I would be willing to pay for. They used to have some in Leicester, which I used all the time. I believe they have since been removed. ____________________ Duke 390
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At Arry, Borg, Architect, peppers etc etc.
Great points, very well made. Can I permissibly be allowed to say that full on kill kill rage against the victim might have been a fractionally overkill response from my well balanced supportive self?
Point remains, that yes cut through chain times are short. Id suggest though that resigning yourself to its gone in 60sec anyway is still not a great view point either.
Ok so London is built on top of itself and fight to the death for a square metre of free land, and then only after dissuading sum of money. And I do get that bikes are 1% of traffic, and companies don't give a shit, and are not forced to even consider it.
But some companies (probably out of the capital) do kind of care and try to help staff to work more easily, either by working at home or local sub branches, or providing help with transport, or just free and secure parking and places to store cycles securely under cover and dry. To ask them to consider a few spaces with a lockable railing, or gated fenced off compound, or shed for motorbikes isn't that much more effort/cost or hassle for them.
My employer has 100's of sites across the UK, and many manned depots, some with security gate entry and secure perimeter fencing. Most of these sites would at least have somewhere on site for a few bikes to chain up to a solid railing or fence. Some sites have shared cycle/motorcycle parking and even under cover canopies or designated motorbike sheds etc. I was just under the impression that the easier you make it for your staff to get to work as painlessly and cheaply as possible, with the offer of safe parking, the more people that will turn up, be on time, be grateful, and feel more valued too?
The victim is never at fault for a bike theft, but my point was more that care free, don't try too hard on street parking, with a chain thrown through the wheel, isn't really helping or a serious enough attitude to take towards bike security. You can't say, '' I left my bike locked to nothing but itself on a busy city Street, but the police should break skulls to find it for me when it gets nicked''
Would these bike owners leave an expensive, rare, desirable car badly parked in a dodgy area or with no locking wheel nuts, and the window slightly down too?
Oh yeah, and my daughter would not be even thinking about leaving the house if she was wearing a tiny miniskirt. Get changed or stay in I think would be the choice allowed. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 279 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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