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M.C
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PostPosted: 17:57 - 21 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
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I'm of the opinion if you can't share the road space with other traffic then you shouldn't be there, and that the money would be better spent on trying to educate drivers, in the (probably) forlorn hope we can all get along a bit better.


Why not educate the cyclists as well?

Yes although I've done a Bikeability course and TBH, it was a waste of time for most of us, and they actually taught a few things I thought were dangerous (the instructor nearly had a head-on with a bus demonstrating the door zone Rolling Eyes).

I also had to do a Safe Urban Driving course and was honestly surprised how it did change the attitudes of what were to be frank, fairly ignorant truckers and bus drivers.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 23 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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A bicycle is not legally required to carry an instrument to measure speed.

A naked drunk barrister with a heroine problem could could get a cyclist off a speeding charge.

That depends on the type of bicycle, since the new rules on ebikes was introduced in Northern Ireland any ebike must have a speedometer, the rider must also have a motorcycle licence and wear a helmet, the bike itself must be type approved and registered, have valid insurance, MOT and VED. I got a quote for my 250 watt 15 mph ebike of 380 quid a year which is double my motorcycle insurance, back to pedal power only for me.
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That depends on the type of bicycle, since the new rules on ebikes was introduced in Northern Ireland any ebike must have a speedometer, the rider must also have a motorcycle licence and wear a helmet, the bike itself must be type approved and registered, have valid insurance, MOT and VED. I got a quote for my 250 watt 15 mph ebike of 380 quid a year which is double my motorcycle insurance, back to pedal power only for me.


Serious response here as this came up recently in a work related situation (insurance). Have you got any links to the legislation on this?

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PostPosted: 12:44 - 23 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Serious response here as this came up recently in a work related situation (insurance). Have you got any links to the legislation on this?

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https://www.batribike.com/info-faq/electric-bikes-and-the-law/ebikes-in-northern-ireland
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 23 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
moonzoomer wrote:
That depends on the type of bicycle, since the new rules on ebikes was introduced in Northern Ireland any ebike must have a speedometer, the rider must also have a motorcycle licence and wear a helmet, the bike itself must be type approved and registered, have valid insurance, MOT and VED. I got a quote for my 250 watt 15 mph ebike of 380 quid a year which is double my motorcycle insurance, back to pedal power only for me.


Bit of a misnomer there. It wasn't new rules introduced it was an exemption that wasn't introduced.

|\have a read of this.

arry wrote:
Serious response here as this came up recently in a work related situation (insurance). Have you got any links to the legislation on this?

Thanks


No new legislation, have a read of the above link. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 23 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Bit of a misnomer there. It wasn't new rules introduced it was an exemption that wasn't introduced.

|\have a read of this.

arry wrote:
Serious response here as this came up recently in a work related situation (insurance). Have you got any links to the legislation on this?

Thanks


No new legislation, have a read of the above link. Thumbs Up
The new rules only came into play 3 weeks ago, prior to that my insurance was only 31 pounds nor did I need to register the bike or wear a motorcycle helmet or have a motorcycle licence.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 23 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
moonzoomer wrote:

The new rules only came into play 3 weeks ago, prior to that my insurance was only 31 pounds nor did I need to register the bike or wear a motorcycle helmet or have a motorcycle licence.


Due to a law dating back to 1955 in Northern Ireland electric bikes are considered to be mopeds and require a users to have a motorcycle licence, insurance, to wear safety gear, and to have a number plate displayed.

Laws in England, Scotland and Wales were changed in 1995 to reflect that newer technology allowed engines to shrink and the electric-assisted bikes to grow in popularity.

From...https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dvla-to-register-ebikes-in-northern-ireland-from-monday-36022369.html

The requirements aren't new, the DVLA just had no ability to register them properly, now they do so it's full rules ahead.
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Results are in... he's been found not guilty of manslughter but guilty of causing bodily harm by "wanton or furious driving".

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Bah. Still, Tarquin's "One was not culpable of the aforesaid transgressions, ya?" protestations seem to have wound the judge up a treat, so he might actually get some custody out of it. Sadly not hard labour, but it'll doubtless help him build character.
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Do we get to see the cctv then?
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Do we get to see the cctv then?


I was thinking the same. According to the report, he shouted, slowed, shouted again and still managed to run into her!

Bearing in mind that bicycles have pretty sharp handling, I'm not sure how the hell he managed to hit her.
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The CCTV would show that he shouted and started to swerve whilst she froze and then darted right in front of his swerve. Or something very similar to that.

If he does get a custodial sentence then it will be interesting to see the nice long list of other offenders who weren't given custodial sentences by the judge who sends the brakeless hipster to prison.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 23 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just fit a brake. It's not that hard.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 23 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
handbasket wrote:
Just fit a brake. It's not that hard.

Unless the bike doesn't have brake caliper mounts. Wink
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M.C
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PostPosted: 23:14 - 23 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The CCTV would show that he shouted and started to swerve whilst she froze and then darted right in front of his swerve. Or something very similar to that.

Apparently he tried to go behind her, which's typically what I do but without shouting so not to spook the lemming. He's getting vilified pretty badly but the Guardian seems to have his back (I actually agree with some of their points): https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/aug/23/motorist-would-not-have-landed-cyclists-wanton-and-furious-driving-charge
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 23 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
He also lied she wasnt on her phone.


Seriously who would go in to court defending themselves dressed like that and then not give a shxt.

I hope he gets ridden hard by big Dave inside.
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PostPosted: 23:54 - 23 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
M.C wrote:
Apparently he tried to go behind her, which's typically what I do but without shouting so not to spook the lemming. He's getting vilified pretty badly but the Guardian seems to have his back (I actually agree with some of their points): https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/aug/23/motorist-would-not-have-landed-cyclists-wanton-and-furious-driving-charge


The Guardian article is oddly biased. If someone drove a car with defective brakes and killed someone they would also be charged with offences.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 24 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
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Just fit a brake. It's not that hard.

Unless the bike doesn't have brake caliper mounts. Wink


Still not very hard.

https://www.velodromeshop.net/track-bike-brakesets/dia-compe-track-bike-front-brake/
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 24 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
M.C wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/aug/23/motorist-would-not-have-landed-cyclists-wanton-and-furious-driving-charge

The Guardian article is oddly biased.

It's written by a solicitor trying to re-defend the case based on what it imagines the evidence might have been. Tarquin didn't even have an expert witness, apparently. I'd consider it self promotion for the inevitable appeal, perhaps funded by the lycropath lobby.
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PostPosted: 07:53 - 24 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
sickpup wrote:
The Guardian article is oddly biased. If someone drove a car with defective brakes and killed someone they would also be charged with offences.


Agreed, if you hit someone driving/riding a defective vehicle and that defect was deemed to be a contributing factor then I'd expect consequences. If anything the Guardian seem to be suggesting that everyone should get away with defective vehicles. Very odd.

However, there is no way you can stop from 18 mph on a bike in 3 meters (which is what the prosecution argued) even with brakes.
It does seem that his decision to defend himself and his attitude has as much, if not more to do with the result than the facts.
Still a twat for not having brakes.
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handbasket wrote:
Just fit a brake. It's not that hard.


even easier to buy one ready fitted .. why would you want to ragg an expensive track bike on the street anyway .. buy a cheap hack...
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why would you want to ragg an expensive track bike on the street anyway

Because fixie vloggers. Tarquin was probably sporting YouTube patches.
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The reckless cyclist who knocked down a mother-of-two had a death skull tattooed with three blood-red tears after the fatal crash - but hid it from the court, it was revealed today.

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818846/Cyclist-knocked-mother-ghoulish-tattoo.html#ixzz4qgLh67fK
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 24 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote
jnw010 wrote:
However, there is no way you can stop from 18 mph on a bike in 3 meters (which is what the prosecution argued) even with brakes.
It does seem that his decision to defend himself and his attitude has as much, if not more to do with the result than the facts.
Still a twat for not having brakes.

Seeing the CCTV would help, but if it's the case that 'Alliston was 6.53 metres away when Briggs stepped out' (so basically a shipping container away?), slamming on the brakes wouldn't be my normal reaction either. I'd do exactly what he (allegedly) did, go for the space behind the person, I'm assuming (again the video would help) by the time she had stepped back into his path the collision was unavoidable.
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The reckless cyclist who knocked down a mother-of-two had a death skull tattooed with three blood-red tears after the fatal crash - but hid it from the court, it was revealed today.

Read more: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4818846/Cyclist-knocked-mother-ghoulish-tattoo.html#ixzz4qgLh67fK
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Ahh, good old Daily Fail, only crims have tats init

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Typically skull tattoos represent death and mortality while tears are used by some criminals to show they have killed someone - or it can symbolise being in mourning

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