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![Post Post](templates/standard/images/icon_minipost.gif) Posted: 05:02 - 12 Feb 2017 Post subject: Why is John Mcguiness not doing MotoGP? |
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If he can still do what he's doing in his 40's and won so much why did he decide not to make millions in MotoGP Why aren't any of the TT racers for that matter? Is it something to do with needing to be sponsored from young age and they missed the early age entry level and now there's no way in? On that note how exactly does one get into Professional Track Racing if not a young rider who grew up with bikes or had parents that encouraged it? ____________________ Kymco Super 8 (125) Honda CBR 125
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![Post Post](templates/standard/images/icon_minipost.gif) Posted: 08:08 - 12 Feb 2017 Post subject: |
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Riding at the TT is a different skill to riding fast on track.
He's also not fit enough (sorry John if you're reading this).
Not fast enough (mid-upper pack British Superstock and half handy on a 250 to be fair).
Too old
No desire to go and do it.
None of the TT riders are quick enough to be at the sharp end of MotoGP. Those lads are the fastest 10 or 12 riders in the world on prototype bikes.
TT riders are very fast compared to a mortal, however on short circuit, it's uncommon to have one at the sharp end of both (Hickman being the most recent exception). Road Racing is still mostly UK and Ireland centric too. Spain and Italy are much more into their short circuit racing from a young age and have structures in place to bring those people through. There are other routes in, via WSBK as Crutchlow proved. It also depends a bit on the money you bring and if Dorna/ a manufacturer wants you there for marketing purposes.
If you want to get into track racing at a later age. Do track days, then club racing, be very, very fast, have friends in the right places, get lucky, have some money. HTH ____________________ My Flickr |
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a lot of TT riders do BSB/WSB but track riding doesn't seem to appeal to a lot them.
they tend to do other road racing NW200 etc..
I'm sure Guy Martin said he'd never track ride as he felt it was too safe and boring.. sure he didn't word it like that but hey ![Very Happy](images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif) ____________________ CBR954RR - Daily toy
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Don't they have to be relatively decent round a track to be granted the licence to race on the roads anyway? ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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You don't have to be the fastest track rider to win TT.
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lilredmachine wrote: | The obvious answer is...
The quickest TT riders aren't actually flat out. They are far faster than the average mortal, but they are not as ultimately fast as they could be. He who dares, wins.
They aim to complete the fastest lap they can without becoming a fine pink mist on a dry stone wall. It's all judgement, experience and bike tech, the more confident a rider feels the faster they go.
Hence the reason that often the older riders (such as Mcguiness) that have more experience, are faster than the younger riders
that are far more fit but don't feel so comfortable pushing their luck on road courses.
Mcguiness would be hanging out of his arse after half a GP race on the full fat MotoGP bikes. The G forces to be withstood and stamina required to simply support yourself on a bike with carbon brakes and a 220+ mph top speed is pretty much superhuman as it is, let alone when you are 400 years old and a bit fat.
Circuit racing is the ultimate pursuit of speed, road racing is the gladiatorial pursuit of survival in the face of nearly insurmountable odds. Hence the reason the average death toll of each TT is around two per event, leading Bradley Smith to consider (and I quote) the TT as a 'Death Race'.
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Having spent the last two weeks spectating at the TT course I can assure you that the top guys are flat out, where it counts.
Circuit racing is not the ultimate pursuit of speed, that happens at the Bonneville salt flats! Circuit racing is about finishing in front of the other bikes on the grid, this can be achieved by going faster than the rest, it can also be achieved by other means, block passes, defensive lines into corners, tyre choice, forcing other riders into errors, etc, etc.
Short circuit racing is about extreme acceleration, in relatively small spaces, followed by extreme braking on a regular basis and out thinking your opponents.
Road racing at the TT and the Manx GP is now a time trial, the riders are racing the track not the other riders. When McPint won his last Senior in 2015, I believe he said he didn't see another bike on track for the 4 laps, after the restart. The winner of the Senior at this years MGP didn't see another bike on the track.
The newcomers at the MGP were achieving more than respectable lap times, that would have seen them in the top 20 at the TT.
The Irish road races are public road 'circuits' with long straights, longer than anything MotoGP has to offer, and they have mass starts. The roads are horrible bumpy, manhole strewn strips of tarmac, unlike the grippy billiard tables that short circuit racers compete on.
Strange, is it not, that the vast majority of MotoGP, Moto2 & Moto3 riders are hobbit sized, wiry specimens whereas the vast majority of Real Road Racers are tall, broad shouldered blokes.
McPint started his racing career on short circuits but decided he preferred the roads.
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I actually asked Phillip McCallen a similar question at the TT this year. He said that when road riders hits the circuits they're just not as geared up, they don't get that rush they do on the roads. Often it's just for testing as well (I'm always surprised MD runs at the back of BSB).
Road racers are flat out for the very most part, if not you will be beaten. I guess it's knowing where you can push that little bit more, like some kerbs on the IOM are sloped you can just run up on the path. Others, no.
"Mcguiness would be hanging out of his arse after half a GP race on the full fat MotoGP bikes."
It's bike fitness, not who can run longest. The Superbike & the Senior at the TT go on for nearly 2 hours and have an average speed of what, 132mph? Lots of MotoGP riders would be struggling at the end of that.
This is an interesting read also, McGuinness's concentration doesn't worsen under stress & pressure, it improves (as I'm sure it would for many short circuiters): https://www.iomtt.com/News/2016/10/19/Dunlop-elite-athletes.aspx ____________________ CBF125 (2013) -> CBR600F (2001) -> 'Ninja' 300 (2014) |
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