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PostPosted: 20:12 - 31 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll see. The tuning is a pretty known quantity for these. I tend to time them up for fully advanced and let the retarded bit sort itself out.

If it's a PITA, there is a bolt-on boyer digital that goes right in where the points backing plate sits so the dizzy stays.

Thing is, the points will work down to 9v. Anything under 12v and a boyer box spits the dummy.

I've seen more brit bikes left stranded because of electronic ignition tantrums than anything else.
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies, re-reading I sounded a little sarcastic. Really not aware of the value of older bikes.

Thanks for explanation.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 01 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy, just out of interest mate what kinds of decent modern bikes have you bagged for £650? I only ask as everything I ever look at for project material, people now want decent or indecent monies for.
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PostPosted: 00:52 - 02 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

06 cbr125, 2001 bandit, y reg SV650, 07 varadero 125.

All of which were decent condition and went through mot with zero effort.

Different bikes entirely to this one.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 04 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

More pulling apart tonight.

Oil pump worm drive off. Left hand thread. Screwdriver through the small end to lock up the crank, padding on the gasket mating surface. This is a reverse thread, undoes clockwise!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/c1WbrnUDfRJPQ8xve9YdP3H76gN52aL9AjLHPsFl5jYSiYo-aoTMMcFMMUQCm6w5mk2C1H_sj4k2A1PoL1gnqc48hJgA_pkvosKVTDjTaE-z6YF-B1BW8cpW7bljS2FsYogxqqyM5w=w663-h883-no

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Crankcase nuts/bolts out.

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Then just a few sharp taps on the end of the crank with a ruber mallet.

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Those are some mean ass bearings. They will also be being replaced with european ones.

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You do not want to know how I got the timing pinnion off without a puller. Let's just say it was done "Enfield-Wallah style" and leave it at that.

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But having removed the crank, what's that in the bottom of my crankcase?

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Really. What the HELL is that in the bottom of my crankcase?

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Bits of piston ring. That's what. Bits of two different piston rings, a top and a middle. But the rings on the piston I have are all in one piece so someone has bombed their engine (or shattered the rings putting them in) and left big lumps of it in the bottom of the engine.

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So fuckwit strikes again. I wonder if this is why it was sold on without having been started?

Looks like I've got at least one evening of gasket scraping in my near future.

Off to email hitchcocks now to see about converting some money into speed...
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PostPosted: 20:01 - 04 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loving the strip down pics.

That engine (from someone who doesn't come from a background of and is non familiar with Brit bike motors)
actually has some quite nice design features in places, and looks of sturdy construction instead of ultra thin Japanese castings etc. There's some un desirable features too to my eyes, but you can't have everything. Laughing

I'm actually amazed also how in modern car engines, some features that were very good 30,40 or 50years ago are not universally adopted in all new engines made today.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 05 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit of a blow.

Just got word back that the overbored 350 crankcases are unsuitable for the 612 conversion due to inadequate webbing reinfocement. The power would warp them.

Where to now. ENgines are hard to find.

Moral dilemma time:

What I COULD do is reassemble this short engine* which is fine and has a lot of new bits, including piston, rings and a freshly rebuilt head, buy a complete 500 bullet off gumtree/wherever with the correct cases, swap over the short engine, change it on the V5 then sell it for what I paid. I keep the cases to build my own bike.

If I do, do I tell them it's based on a set of bored-out 350 cases?

* Engine by itself, minus the gearbox and primary drive.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 09 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, given the engine I have here is unsuitable for a 612 conversion, I may as well reassemble it. it's a perfectly good 500 motor.

I'm watching some bikes on ebay, both are basket cases. Either will do for what I need. If I were to get both, I could build my bike AND a second bike to sell. See how that goes.

Anyway, reassembling this one will be good practice for the main event and a complete engine should go for nearly as much as I paid for this bike if marketed intelligently. I've taken pics of the reassembly to show a potential buyer as the engine wont have been run when it's sold

First thing. Remember this cheese head?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/e_dokH4OaHbxaoPW_H48BgdP32jbw7GiNNbiLy5E5QLbuvNEyUbr_93ljCsdcg9XztNstI2fmWI8bXTUxaJyct91HC2E5BPGwe9RA9DxPZb0XcdFn9uzLLPwmy9_KdZca8GxwZhszg=w665-h886-no-

So. I think a thread insert would probably be more appropriate. I already have an M6 kit so cost is almost zero.

Tap it out, it was already stripped to buggery anyway so I didn't drill it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/w8xodzD-BdD7Aj-_rSJ9ZHfl4_e0l_wH72Js7MeHlDDJmi5QmiaO4n_1gyrJ9zTdLD1ovIqjzrebTgwKqbsS9iLiOGkg2fdRgLc-q3GOWfGzPR2tEwI72Lr923CNb7wbCGNjs6J-DQ=w1178-h883-no

Shiny new insert.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1ghGKqJYLtoNwi8B6oAbQq3AG8NvWyDOG_CAHvli4ueSN3sbe14s9ODCrSB6TOGth-2ObpDA23BgQWpLXMxoqAk9hculKnWx0KrR_D-nRiyjzPmpEiMQeVN_2mALyDWY6FE7sycrPQ=w1178-h883-no

Don't want this stud dropping down into the tappet chamber so threadlock. I'll also use a standard nut with a nylok nut above it. This stud doesn't really see much load. It's there to hold the barrel in place while you put the head on/off.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0FdNSKd9RF0mezYlf4qXM8YlnVpI1VNQiX_fueJC0ZtZHfwSEzHVjdC6Acbp8dPai3zAd2-LXoqjXMM_krAFSmt_-vACX7GOJTn97BezWrbx-5CazV5hTQTrdcOGPodwwGgtSkqeig=w1178-h883-no

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About an hours worth of gasket scraping with a putty knife, then a scalpel blade then a spray of "get yer gas-kit off" and a run over with a non-stick pan sponge. Then maintainance spray and a good wipe over to remove any remnants of gasket and gasket remover. Looking highly ship-shape in my oppinion! Be a shame to sell it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2ZCMLWlMsB70umVJ4IYe5OD2-4Z9tNra35BR67dbQSNuy8fwYivnaCPkWBLDIG8_SvFzur6ebvKjuUdvRdSl24o0s4eg7WYKkULiQ6YvUnjsDUtSu6MVeBiqcpC20KufLOAy6LDf0A=w1178-h883-no

Also given the crank assembly a wipe over with a clean cloth and maintainance spray.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZRjAipBtlXGoGrYtA7_1qSiOaJ9UdrngQrblXsAmXRYaqbwbIt0Ps1soApq3H6Ew3MsrlxsCATaLaKGtOgCBn1tCYHijmMjYDB4O_QHhqom1in7vs2EgM9TA0E90tA26qkQ9iOn1Ww=w1178-h883-no

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VERY clean piston with new rings.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9QB0YMegv3oMa1SgJ8d3MxjhsEJtYL5zojuU9CZzXloWGFV7VQEoN_1bVWv8hWjd741buTlrBPz9MnimqQwljkZZWnU6TLlUm5tWLvzppqkHcH4nxfv4fHaNCxRhirZCgxAwKso56Q=w1178-h883-no

The previous builder had assembled the crankcase with just the gasket. I reckon this is wishful thinking so I'm using some goo as well. This permabond stuff is REALLY nice to use. It remains liquid until compressed in an oxygen free atmosphere so it'll only go solid where it's squashed, any squeeze-out will wash away. It is quite expensive but a bottle lasts a long time.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/WNuqTIBCbGOze72pypVjBNFVbIWvhr1O9dE2v5tI6tKuvWQaOjC-lI43VgJlQUdEWPAK8bn8MB63MSt-MUJPYMIn3ZuhfDrz-hCzxhp3ipUSbBeueRQhSYxXHp3QonHYxJ-WNg9mNQ=w1178-h883-no

I apply a bead from the bottle, spread it out with a gloved finger then wipe round the inside edge with a cloth round my finger to prevent any squeezing out to the oil containing parts.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OeILkp51A6dsBSF60hfPV_5WZ5m3ow6mMBBO7xiqQWwaTbqFxD7Z6fEYTrqaiqvroEFuUG16bKTYqG9mNWcG-tJ05rR16msZtcrq3s_u0SdoblY6eCBrw_WLhVsrQgJ1Mv3VCesJQw=w1178-h883-no

Other half.

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New gasket off ebay. Notice this motor has dowels at the top left and bottom right. They don't usually. It's a good idea though so I'll get some dowel recesses milled into the crankcases when I do my build

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zClQZf_btN5_WpnI83wNFP6OpDgWoW6E-6snDT4ROKcutjcXoPlyDdavgBEO97FvgdLX2BcdR5xlBLL8OPRlur7amnnUaH8Axinv0UM-rDRvEGhYGm3oKyiN-yxlcuBcbhB12FS96w=w1178-h883-no

Crank in (note strategically placed hammer so it sits high enough to prevent the end of the crank fouling the bench).

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Then it's a case of lowering the other half on top, tapping it into place with a rubber mallet and putting all the crankcase nuts/studs back in.

Just up to finger tight for now because an oddity of these motors, mostly duel to rough as hell engineering and the afore-mentioned lack of dowels is that you can get these together off-square. That puts side loading on the mains and the crank eats itself.

So you need to tighten the nuts down gradually while making sure the crank rotates. It's where an "Enfield Wallah" would get an assistant to pump the conrod up and down while he nips up the nuts. I've settled for tightening them a little at a time then turning the crank a few times, then tightening some more.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/AaetF0kY9lrWv4_oQ3gpeBos0SmjClLAviwtDo1GU1N_EftQUtL4a6Bjx-HIpW64MvjX5fnv5h2Rz8O3djf_RHXWUkZMBC0_93FinTWlFz7EFWm1LfKTRM6Z6dt7-tZK_j9Khrq6ZQ=w1178-h883-no

Then final itghtening. They do not need to be very tight at all. The big nuts are 11Nm, the small ones are 9Nm. I'll re-check these again once it's all assembled in case of settling.

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Now the barrel. Clean mating surface.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/U5o0i2aMNxW97vss-jnabMk9T9bT4G4FYW1YnlkY0fj53pHQzQ5MUtMkOgH4LRnl686WXpCCtnKoginc_ZCde4mprEF0_NF9xRN3ZuKIO1wHOoRdk2BdhVo-R870d1fdAvYuXol6pw=w1178-h883-no

I'm using my gloop as a bead this time. I can get a finger and a rag in the pushrod tunnels to wipe away any excess once it's assembled.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OCnzs0FlxWq7zregALa0FwNqaU6MH6yezkAcVEoDVZ5KlI0gsFc93LIrfaQjmP654umxbxWeaVFRyQediPf2x3Qk5jVRbqCpo2XDy8YGAQrzVPjOadrKuorwDJBTfI2ek3keHfUMiA=w1178-h883-no

I think there are enough honing marks here to bed the rings so I'll not hit it up with the glaze-buster again.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gvsMIraPGqJgFWY1FXsd2m9vGOsb906c9Kb6n10s48yT-MjYs1oCx6RzkfdCDUzk6oiDTxDuRQGUljoSwBej0cwYO380Rsj3-pYAKOZ1FzfmlNQcJIj_Y-5sY94sKsdWmVZHZlGbow=w663-h883-no

A little cursing and some nipped fingers later and the barrel is on. It helps to put a screwdriver through the gudgeon pin to prevent the piston dropping into the cases while you fiddle the rings into place.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mbLAiBgQrbavpuan1RTpBuS2LW1cR-4txANsLd3tDnnn87Hrg22bDGeKocgUliIqYYGy5VUpoh9I9AzUO2Zo3zJfWiNr0c-UBIyInx4ydBhgq4OTYNTPN68nVORyJfHGFVXsSknchQ=w1178-h883-no

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Next step will be the head but I need to order a new head gasket first.

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I've been researching how to time it up for the valve timing. You're going to love how simple it is!
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PostPosted: 02:06 - 10 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair that's a really nice, well thought out engine design as it sits. I wouldn't get rid of it. You know it's bulletproof because they just ARE, and you didn't pay a whole lot for it. Surely you have room for an orphaned Enfield at the end of your bed? It's too good to let go.









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PostPosted: 11:41 - 10 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

lingeringstink wrote:
To be fair that's a really nice, well thought out engine design as it sits. I wouldn't get rid of it. You know it's bulletproof because they just ARE, and you didn't pay a whole lot for it. Surely you have room for an orphaned Enfield at the end of your bed? It's too good to let go.


Wanna buy an enfield engine?

Thing is, I already have a 350 bullet which runs well and I've done a lot to it over the years to lighten and balance the valve train so it's a sweet and reasonably revvy little engine. The standard 500 doesn't really deliver much more in terms of power and speed but is a bit less civilised to ride in terms of noise and vibration.

I'd venture that my current 350 motor is probably smoother, more reliable and more powerful than this 500 one.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 10 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

But wouldn't a well built and well balanced 500 be a far smoother and slightly more revvy engine (relatively speaking) than some big bored 612cc thumper that I'd expect to vibrate far harder?
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 10 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
But wouldn't a well built and well balanced 500 be a far smoother and slightly more revvy engine (relatively speaking) than some big bored 612cc thumper that I'd expect to vibrate far harder?


No. Not really. The 612 motors rev to 6,500 rather than the 5,000 standard. It'll have an exquisitely engineered and properly balanced British made crank running on european made bearings and lightened valvegear.

They also make 280% more rear wheel horsepower than standard, which is the real thing here. I already have a bullet that tops out at 65mph..

This dyno chart is considered representative. Blue is standard. Green is the 612 kit.
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 10 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

In other news. I just won a 500 bullet basket case on ebay. Engine was dismantled years ago and never reassembled. It has a disc brake front end among other things. Once I have this, that's my crankcases sorted and pretty much all the running gear I need.

I'm watching another one, a theft write-off that has to have the frame scrapped. If I win that too. I'll have enough parts to build up a full, running 500 bullet to sell and a rake of vintage parts off the original basket case to punt to someone who will use them.

I'm currently dismantling the rolling chassis of the one I already have. The degree of hipster-derived fuckwittery going on is simply mindblowing! This was a total abortion of a motorcycle. It would never have passed an MOT.
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 10 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok bored. I've been stripping the rolling chassis. Some good bits, some rubbish. Some distinctly odd. There is a mix of good engineering and cack-handed hipster fuckwittery here. There aren't enough coherant parts to make this a working motorcycle. On paper there are but the execution doesn't match the expectation. Frame and V5 is the main thing I take from this. Also a complete standard engine and a selection of vintage parts to punt on to a project that deserves them.

So. A pair of alloy mudguards with WAY too many holes drilled in them but I reckon won't look too out of place with pop rivetts in the unwanted holes. Would cost £50 each new.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hdGX-VJh3G6uxtFncHwFkU6Gsux8aZy8BcC2eEygqOs_0Fm-TZvYyzsC5ALGCuWSX42njRsCSjRUxxjGGL9fymXykRox2cAIvA3TnzkkFRGFJ1PMb0TgRbdj-Jh-BJ5ZVoaO45a6Rw=w1178-h883-no

I'm pretty sure this is an original 1950's headlamp shell and light switch with a miller ammeter.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8BDIVdYt5H5LQbmu04gACGFm_krQRiRM2wzDp11yxa11X3c0EmkrRD7GKGX52lPbU1gVIeY7JUFW_w9vUyLvXL9oUNm4b0BnUuCiWeaKPVLhLUbxpGxKR_4NzktBlKUuUSJkxVDEGQ=w1178-h883-no

This is either an Indian repro speedo which would cost £40 or a NOS Smiths original wich would cost £££. Not sure how to tell but I suspect it's the former.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/AmYFZ__xMj9DNfeVEO1fbntqLL3fDCMN4XxLYEqHeJ1iqVcpMcNtN2r6yUYRp_OmBcfrXedDoaXn-aHVR8ln5OfX8ni7wp25fEQmE0D1OForFjDsKZSkOPKqzZK0Fp23h9CDD8xk_w=w1178-h883-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vq4IlVxSB9TSKVtyqi0y2pu9Jl5tBuQe68jz391pHlbLhtJm203-E-qbZGgPPEivdqrY9Z5Al3r9hzZ2NCmqti184bFLiqu5yfCv8nHlUVSnb22tMiSKyfA0jKI_A6nf79xWTMSwXA=w1178-h883-no

Boyer power box. Saves buying one at £70. Also has an AGM battery which is fully charged. The bike SHOULD self-excite with one of these fitted so no being left stranded by a flat battery.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/6XbWowurehoa0Qyf_py50uVNsOqYxIjm1UXSXMmf77ylPyearFGBuQmCZwFfxP6z2yBd9Za7A1doRs8Vbfb_yPTvdtDy6L119pz8BJRqL8mqD1Vl8NhAhNcw94DFz15fS3PSiyYXpw=w1178-h883-no

Twin coil. Would cost £40. Don't think it's ever been used.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3ZdTrqCiQOm1CoAyhLnVRfpVyq8FbNJyOXX4asB-TK_8TMTmtrR28c-YfXJJQ2Um6om9srLPWGBWgot_jwLAYlUych8hogMHERDmWlVUU0dJsoLEYJ_8mAfvX8z2ZFvtHkIreraWZA=w1178-h883-no

Looks like an original 1950's twist grip.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/AMkJMa5jiPMdacdQQH-rLX2Pi_ozJ14m-a41zM6fz46lcvzYd11XDcUs4Yo74FWURmE2pHLSVTuhEn70_Fb-gwbjtBsNuSwmpCcR95qEkD6yo3m6scMOgdJpRi4p5AGG-oGqs7eSFQ=w1178-h883-no

50's chain guard. Is very solid!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ykuDpsEm9DXln0IDZi5K-vkoY_vWCkkINTwSQ3bvDcfyTj79ts8hv0LWcvtZQbCfaoh8IxnVlmn3OT2l2meZXjxS7k9fB38VrZvrSPud5ep_jhobL0yugmzjIE19NryFx3Eyeof1KQ=w1178-h883-no

Double-pull brake lever assembly.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/dXtqahOJ_kSHnBituLXVHZm-Vo9Qw8e30buf2Fbo-q2A_NLJhcp5ftp1uQCWS5JFEyV2Wl3JE8R9i8_PCUDM0Tu7M5Rg5u6dh6f-Z9Di-_NtCMZDnR5ecnC6GXCthMEC31LkWSlwaA=w1178-h883-no

Modern Indian rear wheel spindle, 1950's speedo drive.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OkPLiVwYgYG7zUZi8STcvrz-57unROJgGwSUOZh_xg40ZERmFtF3KLlOQEESg_-7HeOB_b9ImjGbr2Kc-jTaP9aj3Frzkg7EtbKqrFaHmfgaLIqhqCoHZqn3EmW7RdHJ-yZHmXBHtw=w1178-h883-no

Modern Indian rear wheel with speed drive collar pressed on. For some reason, they decided it wouold be a good idea to paint the entire wheel, including the spokes and nipples. Rolling Eyes

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2R-1u0zaqzRwrrCtlPfJ468Ui4aDSwzoNmV6PZEib9jtsEr6GFCBgxjJux1Tn8Y9xM7XLCxhBHFmRc0CG8DzLSGcBk6Kci0N1LonFvwTRunYzeGLNcWV-92zY9hG69oZj6L8AeuOxg=w1178-h883-no

Nice stainless brake control rod and brass adjuster nut.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fxyKm-MdatdmuYfa2x8VnFLzs2TeJcBSi3NVn2E4-lcgo0eUhHvG-eNlVjbcFgnbppYpUR4iQTapRRaKQfjj8QTh6UEpPdNKeJQoCoTSj-QDNfE0junre3cUbjk-Z2AkABkdSg-q3w=w1178-h883-no

1950's swingarm assembly.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0ziUHAkM8bI9VdfPIPh8KbvYKTy65sL6WrdiqG9zvC52MAfzntiRfXeoDK1ahPFUGle8G6Sc0zpxXXEMY3l0TsvSgQMD6BhDfC_YuQRYNTGHsoWltm5DrA_AvfIbmM3q50ntAqIMrg=w1178-h883-no

Random shocks off fuck knows what. About 10mm too short.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/YsLG_FH16jviwHvYtQyQ_8T_bappEF30rpufXl3putL79VQmUeeGdDI16t4uf4w0J6LnjWGo1Nq_TtXGkkqG2IyHVn16Q8QKgJsbnh1ODEMTKmI1qFFsxuYDkiGXzG0cp6-5GQr48g=w1178-h883-no

Assorted crap. Lots of homemade bracketry splat-welded from flatbar.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/n2GDz5nRuqq_mVo_aNfE7hCPCNCW2HEZRDsFjc1iY4vDoHZYgalE8Z00IQoSHAfidfV6sbJ8F6BT_dOPS8A5TVZOpF7rRYVOmPOIMNVBGRWXLuf-Bi_lAH4BVszcmZxPCyb0eCtSZQ=w1178-h883-no

I can't get the front end off today, the bars are held on with imperial allen heads and I don't have a key to fit them.
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 10 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's plenty of decent bits to be had so far from your project bike, and if you end up with the parts bike too, you'll be able to build at least one more good bike from your parts cache I dare say.

I didn't expect such a drastic power gain from the special 612cc hot rod engine though. I can see why you'd like some of that if your after a 90-100mph bullet.

Surely those 612 engines must have a special big port, big valve aftermarket head, different (lumpy) cam, and use a bloody big carb to get over 40bhp though? It'd be strangled by a 350/500 head surely.

I'm surprised a good 500cc isn't around say 32bhp as std though? Think for a performance motor your going the right way though, I'd always do more cubes first mod on anything naturally aspirated at least.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:

Surely those 612 engines must have a special big port, big valve aftermarket head, different (lumpy) cam, and use a bloody big carb to get over 40bhp though? It'd be strangled by a 350/500 head surely.


Yes. All of the above. Here's the kit. I will of course post close-ups of the parts when I get them.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh. Latest installation from the fuckwit archives.

I was refitting the distributor and decided to check the auto-advance.

Hmm. Not moving.

Despite repeated cleaning and lubing, it was still notchy and sticking out/in.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Dkme5HW0fvRyOu1decRpHVSus4i0Q3pEtYpXg0CGZewX61GXsnWzq1sLBRNY9ZTGsDCdtqzK_lez77KRNiJP5JB3OqKrfk2dvTzLTk9LSHXiI2l2ffqYZRolnHuDNixjDVwK8nSxdw=w1178-h883-no

So I decided to strip it and see what was going on. Immediately noticed something a bit odd. One rusty weight, one clean shiny one.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/TME0L3Mbn7R0vJZbvhwAHRlXOd_e2oSF0HTYl1MVbtSOn4ueYEP-tbMTK0tpViku4w_25WpIGza7-W1dYejGQCfyFsak0agXTRbFGquqP5UcC7LruiwSeNqFRtWASZU8J0_DpyGRiw=w1178-h883-no

The rest seems ok.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wUcxb8qRnvBps3ySi5UsFYgwXkLLRGRelEfGvQetZgPCJgRwTxi8F1VWDH4cE3qYwBVannpLFeZWz2LFwzq5LJG6uZFRphuF0RPtckw4ceFa6oAjY3JvD51-z8-pv8AL0CXvLFYn-Q=w1178-h883-no

Cleaned the rust up as best I can to no effect. On a whim, decided to try swapping the weights to opposite sides. Odd, they don't go, the clean one fits either side, the rusty one only fits one side.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OmqAmhvw7ty0Xv3p9ROaRojLRQScd4sJuCpzclkUl3bUqvclT4hID90363WBsemPlwZ5V7GY9REzANJ9lCfcjgpQzDNMxUIlYwSHOjZ9Nl2rL34bzinD5SrPMz4MmV7bVHkRC5HfJA=w1178-h883-no

Yes, that curved oval hole is 0.30mm narrower on this one. That's at least 0.2mm narrower than the pin it's supposed to fit over. Curious Thinking.

Except now it fits over one pin. Presuambly fuckwit lost a weight and robbed one off his 1950's donor bike. Only it didn't fit. So he angle ground a face onto the pin. Now it's flat on one face and sticks in the hole.

The weight itself is also marginally thicker than the original so it fouls the backing plate when assembled.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/7hyQQDKGA-d_dhRk5q7LALjb9kHhdDLk-uvTCgClr0DD76ubxNO_2kjJeCOLutFkTntI088JA_FdcSaxSrMgkEnn-krihGgZoVBzreV4IbzwwCyMyMCvXjgRVnbtSTb0TtYy4uynhA=w1178-h883-no

The only fix for this is going to be to replace it and they're not cheap (uless you get them from india) so I hope I win this other spares bike.

The bike would have run like a piece of crap with a faulty autoadvance like this.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 11 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

As promised. Valve timing.

Keyway to 12 O' clock.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/fIEv7d_KH4ZqrdHfKbQDUsjjbHH5Pslm_JGBsLcSCQk4BqheD3NA59mkIX2cIvduyZ0TtMXv2Kw5mwnIdtr5iBGWkB-kIcJFRMpKUbfrSxOFf6hK3VAsl8quFlLQXqGo81bEDgEmeA=w1178-h883-no

Slide timing pinnion on and tap with mallet to lock it in place. Notice the two little dents on it. You can't lock it down with the nut yet because you need to see those (hence the mallet).

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/hQ7G75EU9rP_p9gt5hQ4JphWAi3yVhJr_q7see69MApP6TmCgwg5U3JesU00AN4dV_EX4trQU1b7SbX6TWUcubXzLdFHJuzGAJulxtR_L-4CaprW1tFO0Fi-9mMtrsm6XcZdhIBS9g=w1178-h883-no

Exhaust cam. Has two dents at one point, a single dent at the other. The two dents on this should align with the two dents on the timing pinnion.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ikOnlityd7dqMGnCeMvzjIGql_svSysxAmktfeGAwvvvF8MyMSljyi_6V94F9PDK-bD2v7q_Elq9T7HWBDxtJbIuEzMQkohBoeSX1Qjg-ATlWgN8g4We2-ZAVcSj80uYJXNmJBIkAg=w1178-h883-no

Inlet cam. It has a single dent. It should line up with the single dent on the exhaust cam when it in turn is aligned with the timing pinnion.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/94KEi9DtxM0NAbPsLIubmAxiVOfZ8cIrEfJ8hDBMIaG1r-WkKPrpQV_qmLGIEflVlZS9jOcvcmXlBshW_xb18qJq_YC3ylzP8DL7j_rcNFnc3N15kHyc9P8RosJW5Zvw4ODdkJww3Q=w1178-h883-no

Rotate the engine a couple of times to make sure they still line up together.

Congratulations. You have set the valve timing on your 500 bullet. Very Happy

Added the idler gears for the distributor. Can't fit this 'till I get a working advence unit.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/yut-QTKiqUiuOGev31NQgPGcY19WDri4kJ_pc07Q7eYa9a4KqRrpMFdww52oTWdMG_6xHOP8dk6N9GEYtVAEigPl90Eb9VhWiz64K3p0I4wuLhz7N1KRMexpfOYmPbmEhltu5rUt0g=w1178-h883-no

Refitted the scavenge pump with two gaskets to allow it to blow the pump disc away from the face if it goes over pressure.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/gHDLKIWZ2wKIs1cqOHjbUsdmbB7WQkRk7bwu_kpdR2PeNoBrY17cxregYtVrQ5Y4stk611lw3OscZplyCZ_a-HyoYRwxgM6sYcmosW_EhRLtTN7LOru8XyK4GU_zDK6rxrOCycVC4Q=w1178-h883-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/IAmQJYzscMeXQ8cQNHMfeBfQuw7mL1Sm_l0NphqxdYHq9yFORIgg5bcC70N3EbTO0Gj5x9i_gbq3Q49gSJaShjP2z4fJT4fQHrJ5V4X8j_MEnzRVLt8Tk9Sc8H--hX6jdKlZwD1FNQ=w1178-h883-no

And the smaller feed pump.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Xtmj1cz2XklRM0uOHpd_jmfuBQRXJnm1q8zDiOzviUJlF-o9-7BfsUeNDsbKbH87f9Kg6GAdTSPblhSjuPYOSH9zT5s7p-cTH76uGXXWfiG4lx9QLRtpfColFmGKeAdC4VIvTZ4HKg=w1178-h883-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1DEi1yKqukH_-hjP1W2uGm6WVV8mV4wsFfii56sFjU94GMOgLTsOOHXI0ENR2mxHoLLy-toi4mfUkCuWEMxHTkRWKgWZtq2VGln-UBqw3tic665Ts8dySrju84GU0YdnOIv5iukd-A=w1178-h883-no

Oil pump worm drive is in good nick.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Aa4MZ72fifsw_mZQt7AXaLk5YPyQdPoH4yZjQHZuqK4cmXSxRjEJUZ5NMKa4lnCpQpuaMaNJW6VXduTbL5L6xu7lt70A6PzkVnPqiU5fKGwOm28JZX-1qXd6Tkd3u-11LF8b9hB9zQ=w1178-h883-no

Can't do any more until I have an auto advance unit and a head gasket. If all goes to plan, I'm going to go past Hitchcocks on Friday so I can pick up some odds and sods and see if they fancy doing a part-ex on some 50's parts.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 15 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much progress today c/o another fucked bike off the internet. This one was £800. Picked up from behind an Indian Take-away in Nottingham.

Turns out to be an Indian home market 2004 500 single (2003 reg, meh). Perfect engine for the 612 conversion. This engine has a fucked big end, owner took the engine out dismantled the top end then abandonned it. One less job for me.

This bike is entirely complete. It's donating its fucked engine for my project and it's going to receive the newly rebuilt one to sell on.

Also has a disc brake front end which is perfect for my project bike.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9SrXjlQikw9nZ093IiXG7J7w25xHPkkXAIceqWOhO5CFiAcy3GozTOxRKw9EqVV-TEcOio_l5lrJO1067USD2zWdlIZcykamuCixXhg1AfFM05nlNvR2N66tQ8MxbAAugwfcP0vQiA=w663-h883-no

Proper Indian take-away.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/QbvyqWGiUbqSx1NUBmQA-nKQLY0ku0uTPNSvzej_amMnVO0tjwJWzzVgFGsFs59OrY0pnpQEFIwtpnFEnyNwI029eaHI8v-kkdisBzPRi160cKCTCztXvcFN_BUhwkXGjhHaQ8Mz1A=w1178-h883-no

THIS is the engine I have been looking for. Note high quality containers. Judge a basket-case by the quality of the baskets. These are pretty good.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/csJUzLZ6TtD5EILo69cPRGdcLlppvhk1R9amjvyeZJog8gxTlR29afelMlwqX3IRYmuuBgnbp5wbJvE3kfIGSSqCUO0VAxb8xz4vLL6OK6iwQjlCBV-xbvBY9ua4FSdGeqeaZoXQHA=w1178-h883-no

Top-tier basketage!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mP9Z7qEZSqtMZ4JIbgDv47GakpFzBc_y0FyJFyt_vwfv-3KJZv_k5qQF2w0rHSYelwzy04gpCj-EupnuTPtCrj5gMWMr4T-U5tEaDiTUlcxIs4xYA9NICF2JzMU3NytWVRsNOw2R8g=w1178-h883-no

So. It's all there. It's also had money spent.

Gas shocks:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PQ0IPskgoFOe_exObii0tezL0eOD1GC5Ecn_VQafvahgzrXHDH7udcgpLtnw3CV0Z38fTc5PvdiG7-7QO2c0m27doxTzChaF2jzIJ-3adJbq48FJisM0vCBijyNGwKhlZ8q9Dgi4FA=w663-h883-no

German made ignition coil. I'm stealing this for my one. This bike can have the twin-spark head.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/v076ywG99WOSlYblAnqoju_R5zOdWuGF-9sZInEalPn6HVHxeu4D8OEhNf7g404PS6XUteN9-wU_Fm9B1fPn3oK_hynMB6WSpNJ0UBWC8GBrzxE3pUyk__pHLnTWPqIGv8A9IPXY4g=w663-h883-no

Get that right up your London Emissions zones!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uHa_JEWELmPGu-pyKgk5AbRpNxJJtXnzMQGbuSKIIo5ItCVQ-wANeIC6JLcdlWLNMQrF1ziTsl9SMnGWv0HDK3aLvhMhQ-UZoWi7QECVFsI0iQNJtHln0RnWr47qEZJZN-3xCVJhMg=w1178-h883-no

Spare set of brand new cables. And for some reason TWO oil filter packing pieces.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5KZXnCmhowFaARZBSu-XVK89AUNF_dHLkCH_puGsL-UxAOcBijj5xmCT6yZhTD5dUNUKdcc6_Vb1PIMBFh3V8YVPaBcVIhckW4lhPNKp9GVK_Y_ocp7iJ-3aJegyRzlr9aAoWUrEew=w1178-h883-no

Peculiar engine sprocket (original one is also there). Not sure what this is all about.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/YNu6CGqHrgEdu_h2v6z2xHKTJT-HJtdHJcdq7Y1NfQei9JI3u-YH-eyUwKMbjyUYoI3z02l2lVozxU4Ldo_2BBsrOHYM2fYt28L995SiECXyIjTE6dtdQ_31LRckpNnurjr6tOe6Xw=w1178-h883-no

Brand new rear brake shoes.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jubjRSyAkkkk0yEjIbB9mXrMuqigSyhDYpSjdD1k5LtVQZF5DntkqxIU9OF8iV3xN9U9C5KHgx01LTNRfnk6bKfgVWvnc_AL4SQJkhuHSZo2FYX7en-1OFzLoQkYx8Io1_lmcMQR8Q=w1178-h883-no

Odd assortment of random spare parts, inexplicably wrapped in cling film. SPare lever and mount, spare mirror boss, condenser, voltage regulator, throttle cable spacers and kickstart pawl and return spring.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VEKLO4snQB7KdFnaLGBPf_a5UiuMmpt4aRSptyWgtWv5QEuKrfyhC-zxp3RzhZ8ltTvJnJf2BnEW1VxxfYtujT_072WRZ0JlTmTfktUxde7nPpOSCo5C7EM8jIJytF8ZFnMl0afQUg=w1178-h883-no

Came with an Amal Mk2 concentric carb as well as the standard mikcarb. This will sell nicely on ebay once it's cleaned up in the ultrasonic.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cDqd1Nw-pMkHSYWlkm3JDdweZUlk4IUjKX37C9VsAkKBVmqu6tFcbMVnuTVqQAn79qypSKEOqteZKLMNl-VK04VWNc57SEM2N3lLl9-GCQea9gQHvvZhZHR84T5VjJu4d5gaj_PqjQ=w1178-h883-no

I also went in past Hitchcocks in Solihull on the way back. Swapped the sidecar front end for a swingarm, a casquette, couple of oil filters and a head gasket. The front end is worth more than that but only if you can find someone who wants one.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/CKEPBLCMg4lMrWNa3KHojZgu2UhIfsKPVKMb14DkiwyEb0VtY4hGB5CXON__25C58Cg7DfXmZr38_Fv8ZN-3ZMLLjcT0P1A9d9wiZYz9q_pYpoZRRatgETHEkN_vt55_GrK9aeLSQw=w1178-h883-no

All I'm really looking for now is a set of standard forks and a gearbox. I've got a load of bits to punt on ebay which will get at least a 4-speed box. Tempted to go for a 5-speed though.
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 15 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tracer1234
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 15 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting thread is interesting. Thumbs Up Karma
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The Shaggy D.A.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 16 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice purchase on the basket case. Can't wait to move somewhere with a decent size garage/workshop.
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 17 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Busy, busy.

I've decided I need to have the selling bike built, MOTed and out of the way before I start building my own one. A bit of self discipline or I'll land up with two, half-built bikes and no room.

Also buys me time to watch ebay etc. for parts. Although I did just win a really tidy front wheel complete with the newer (and better) brembo brake calliper and master cylinder that will bolt straight on to a standard front end in place of the drum braked wheel. As such, I can punt this one complete with the disc brake.

Anyway. On with rebuilding the standard 500 motor.

This is a lovely looking head. SOmeone has spent a lot of time on it. It's got valve stem oil seals fitted too (they don't as standard).

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PY3Um3agIz1taTbYECraZBp__q2wAFvSGkuuTG2HJ9e8HclLs2KjgWaiMaamVfB73OdF4D1h6HvP-QyIoR0HnBht9OUNahkVd4nNasCTWbMe5xg9RoBuia0jpWP8n8UAWJ-AAHsqA=w1178-h883-no

Clean gasket surfaces.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/85hDmZ4LOGKb5gJ5qusVmvxZJmjyx8fQ7DRc4khOfaIxwOYWxY0jVMgdbkvvhsuLoD0FikWA_RQO6tW-BRhvrZi-wN4bu893jgSEmzvtnnAmmNmbOcQ0yJU2373Pm01-9fB1ZNOQSQ=w1178-h883-no

Hitchcocks recommended jointing compound. You can paint it on with a brush.

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New head gasket.

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This is important. Enfield heads are total sods for getting stuck on. It's not the gasket goo, it's the washers under the head nut deforming and jamming on the studs. These are special, hardened washers to prevent that. The other option is getting head studs made up with a square end so they can be unscrewed and removed with the head in situ. Or both. These are the cheaper option.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/KxFAtNWaDNb0cFANPrR7ZnZd4VbXVQZquogPOHREmnmM4ewhO-rc2sEkSfVc-h3PokBHlWflN0A6G_KTGG65dvihObCnJ4rogl-fl2KU3G3n-7E7F_2JEFMsZ47XbdyH_dQo_Dgp3Q=w1178-h883-no

A torque wrench is a dangerous thing on an enfield, you can easily stripthreads. By hand with attentiveness is the normal way to tighten things but head nuts do need to be uniform.

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Push rods in and located on the followers.

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Rocker block on.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/nHDp0nADfjcWa49ja5M4fq_MSmhEGttaUhXL0hAOkZP_5P3ctD3Y5l_PsRAjMySyc4WuUQw0PmCniq9Fe7qrEGwKtLIZdogISxxuF6b9l3Sin4ByT7bZI97d8DstD5u7ZT6fjBRSGg=w1178-h883-no

Now a mistake. I fitted the primary chain case, forgetting that I'll need to fit the gearbox sprocket later. Only three nuts to put it on and off though.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5-fdDPVj8ehu8HRE1_UZ3-wYyvfgnq8ETgmgdnde-PZwQHoHjvB2fh7_9tfk3wh5ir1uuAsXIGNySPsaA1gmWToVGMxFjhHGbBUiN42dXmSi6Rs1SZTDYxIYqiIBP5bvu94gd0M-Gg=w1178-h883-no

You can see the gasket goo squeeze-out. As before, this will wipe away with a cloth but confirms I have all-round coverage.

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This engine needs to go in a frame soon. Someone told me it's much easier without the gearbox in place. So a rake through the box of bits to find the spacers, bolts and engine plates then a good hour of cleaning and de-greasing because they were covered in road dirt and chain fling.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_FUhPYvrsa-ckP0CQ6NJ4jmwoT2bIUdJCl3WXmJhNq-MbcN-AV-TZfgtYSPc1CIxgntErnqvIz81xbFUQLfROgqWpUxMNLzyfXcIl9Hth3-YgOCr30aOJ7EV93sUUKBAiRogoga8Yw=w663-h883-no

All great fun, someone else took it entirely apart then threw all the bits in a box. it's like a jigsaw without the picture on the box. So I went and found one.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/F_TiU1GTqW8Roby4NYlUuuuW-THvc7X5g8HyCDJLkiSazAM_nefYKW-IH1bs_x95kSsDmvwk9Z2TQbcUJQvhEPgEL4MGabTta8gjHKl9f-ieCeQnJ1kh9R7U_Cw1KiZCiF-tzeid9Q=w663-h883-no

Removing the gearbox studs first, these will be put back in AFTER the gearbox is put in the frame if all goes according to plan. Also an excuse to use one of my special tools, a stud wrench.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vPxFzojmLtgZ03IBJZPtuQkEgW3fuJOG_uXh1slWPZR7OPLT-ReTswSCjfgb8xTNKtczV5PJTYCeAh_YcjgLYVXJNDSIOty7fllXBmi7q16AtQSkFSJ6wIz3XAO6D75kUnx280wMYg=w1178-h883-no

Both stands on this bike are attached to the engine. The engine is a fully stressed frame member so I've balanced it with axle stands under the swingarm (it's too narrow for my paddock stand). Washing up basin and plank of wood to rest the engine on.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/CqFPOCRx-qVYSIa0efeIBTg8AarmuE0wSW0Sp7RQ0E0hXfpi0bmdx7fs6WYaI1w9Y_xCdqEC3MSH9mgw4jfLeFnRU1qwnAyWdJ-brFOpknXhlc9harJGUReLxlrs6ONREzIt7W_m3Q=w1178-h883-no

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/HlR8rdMcud7YjYLFFAVmdCe46MjuW2EjalyO1pUc50zTiQwKxnYOGgnZyNvxsMvh4U1DhDvpMVn2jNNziEGnsf-fwF6nFl7dUEKP-e7nE8Ey7TVEhgc58ytvbDCKkAHRaWrqnq_Wbw=w1178-h883-no

FIrst I pivoted the engine up and put the front bolt in.

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Then I fitted the engine plates in the frame without the spacers. Notice the new split pin for the mainstand pivot is wrapped round the pin. This makes the stand pivot round the bar rather than the bar pivoting in the engine plate which makes it oval over time.

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This took a degreeof jiggery-pokery because the frame springs apart when you remove the engine. Stuff needs prying into line with a crowbar to get the bolts in. I'm very pleased I left the gearbox off so i can see what I'm doing.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ZTOCJGJt76W_k6aCd4PPQQpfkfRzqx48FBnqtnwALTWeF7BAxsHsYDAMxft45YHlkUqS79R6_0u5ftPwk4ePWSsg0RlL8nr3sDVcYkVWaImN-uAF1sjykyzgj61MBgncTUHBVm69zg=w1178-h883-no

Teh two spacers on the back bolt were an utter BASTARD to get in. Crow bar and hammer (lump) to get them between the plates then hammer (deadblow) to tap them into line with the holes.

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But that's the engine in and now I have a mainstand. The springs for which are another total sod to fit. I use a loop of electrical wire and a hammer handle to pull them out and into place. Takes both hands and bracing my feet against the frame though.
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The Shaggy D.A.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 17 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

You do nice work, sir Thumbs Up
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 17 Sep 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the standard, 4-speed gearbox off the basket case. I'm telling myself I'll sell some spare parts and buy another but I secretly know I'm going to spring for a 5-speed box for my own one. I just haven't fully admitted to it yet. Shifty

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OZ21WvUM327Ni5FxuKn_o93E8ECI_ACh5c2DEXZhgAufNZjhJ14KZSe7vZ0O59MclREZlNMPPc0hwbzULGTw9lqpQnFiMLNmAnmpLICLuYkwxNKF3iqAmSKI1K9ypDI40plkuryIDA=w1178-h883-no

It was in need of a clean. One good thing is that enfields tend to cover themselves in oily muck. They are clean as a whistle underneath.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/rtdjYb9sKP0DfvbGND2scEk8pdZLmz1woTGpvRh_ROBOe9rjr_hD4FvUwSZo_KI8vC1wtPGJevNJrtWnHE9OlkESWzUNurDCY_iGMLhLPdBW0Q18Q9BDn7J_SoCzRoWUpahrGU4-ew=w1178-h883-no

I did spot that this engine plate is bent, took it off and straightened it in the vice. I'm planning to make replacements out of high-grade alloy plate for my own bike.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/idh4s8xT3g6BJ7ZXWgeNSUbOAxjgUzVZymG9CYjoXo8DwllIZ6wa__srmNoQkPk1ckjqu_TP2bOLLjDB-g9hvhpcnAam_xyT0RTMscjHYGzqZbFtF9htxklnCSnOUpHx4UkpLPd1Fg=w1178-h883-no

So, having removed the inadvisedly attached prinary case, the gearbox lifts in and has a groove that locates on top of a big bolt (you can see the head of it just below the output shaft).

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Rtv55RS2sLunc-0fK0J1eqFjqnLAAHWXnERsWS1T3mOIDZn40D8gW2VvcnCeW3KfnG7qbqFNzrxx8XhiKbmw6k0PdjFNn63AgPbcsVwCOL2YlmDVJ3eEwzPNsmkzAaEDgFveBHPKTg=w1178-h883-no

THEN slide the studs back in and tighten them the old-school way with two nuts and a spanner.

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Then rotate the engine plates back into position and bolt it all down.

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It's starting to look like a motorbike. Everything is now bolted securely into the frame and feels a lot sturdier.

Ordered a few missing spacers. and a primary chain tensioner. I've dumped the primary chain in a bucket of old sump oil because it's covered in corrosion and dirt. It may or may not recover.
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I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.
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