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Posted: 16:33 - 19 Sep 2017 Post subject: is there a modern equivalent of the old zzr6? (wot bike m8?) |
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I'm always tempted to change the bike... i test rode some vaguely similar stuff and didn't take my fancy.
i tried the er6... didn't have the pace.
tried a new duke 690, also didn't have the pace and felt too small/narrow/odd.
I'm tempted by the look of several things, zx7r (but not sure of riding position), daytona 675 (similar ergo worries), xj6n (worried might feel slow also), street triple stands out... (will have to try one out, but then thought about fairings and how big/wide mine currently is and I like it), the new 1000sx thing is too dear for me. k1200s? (reviews say the power figure is dreaming and that it's slow), blackbird? (possibly not very "modern" at all)...
any suggestions or advice?
I'm thinking of going back on the bike for commuting so comfort and economy have to be at least "OK"... (the xj6n claims 200+ miles from a tank, which caught my eye). It'll be getting toured on, occasionally. has to have that "something" about it, and be at least as fast as my zzr.... ____________________ CBT - 17/09/12 * Theory - 23/10/12 * Mod1 - 05/03/13 * Mod2 - 25/03/13 * BOSH!
Current - None but shed project H100 (first bike )
Past - ER5, '93 ZZR600, '92 CB400 SF, ZZR600 (again), yellow Monster 620, Blackbird - black Monster 620ie - '96 ZZR600 |
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Posted: 17:09 - 19 Sep 2017 Post subject: |
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ZX7R riding position is the quintessence of the 90's. You sit inside the motorcycle rather than on it. When the rear suspension does what it should, then it's a pretty nice and comfortable motorcycle, but it's terrible in city.
I also enjoyed the engine, the sound, the power delivery, everything was just about right for you to have some fun, yet keeping it safe. The stability of the motorcycle at high speed is exeptional and gives you a lot of confidence.
There is also a lot of storage space under the seats. The rear seat may be swaped for a plastic one, which gives you even more space under it.
The only thing I changed were the front brake calipers. Nissin 4 pot calipers are a direct swap. The Tokico 6 pots were crap on my machine.
Lastly it is still a ''Superbike'', so it does require a certain physical fitness (core strength) to enjoy riding it. Very far from a ZZR600. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Posted: 17:15 - 19 Sep 2017 Post subject: |
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fazer just doesn't do it for me.
vfr is a good shout, I hadn't thought of the newer 800s. will have a mooch.
I really do like the zx7r... I've only sat on one in a showroom though so no reference for actually riding it. all I knew really was that the peg position means my legs are very comfortable. and that the zx9r parked next to it was more like my zzr in upright position. I do also then think... aside from gaining some speed and handling, it's no more modern etc than the zzr underneath the skin ____________________ CBT - 17/09/12 * Theory - 23/10/12 * Mod1 - 05/03/13 * Mod2 - 25/03/13 * BOSH!
Current - None but shed project H100 (first bike )
Past - ER5, '93 ZZR600, '92 CB400 SF, ZZR600 (again), yellow Monster 620, Blackbird - black Monster 620ie - '96 ZZR600 |
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Posted: 17:21 - 19 Sep 2017 Post subject: |
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ocatoro wrote: | fazer just doesn't do it for me.
vfr is a good shout, I hadn't thought of the newer 800s. will have a mooch.
I really do like the zx7r... I've only sat on one in a showroom though so no reference for actually riding it. all I knew really was that the peg position means my legs are very comfortable. and that the zx9r parked next to it was more like my zzr in upright position. I do also then think... aside from gaining some speed and handling, it's no more modern etc than the zzr underneath the skin |
I love my zx7r, I had one as my only transport for several years also without issue, however they aren't particularly comfortable, 8k valve clearance checks, mine needed adjusting around 20k from memory, tokico 6 pots need regular maintenance and are a bar steward to bleed.
The zx9r would make a better commuter, it's more grunty, more roomy, more upright etc |
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Posted: 17:38 - 19 Sep 2017 Post subject: |
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ocatoro wrote: | fazer just doesn't do it for me.
vfr is a good shout, I hadn't thought of the newer 800s. will have a mooch.
I really do like the zx7r... I've only sat on one in a showroom though so no reference for actually riding it. all I knew really was that the peg position means my legs are very comfortable. and that the zx9r parked next to it was more like my zzr in upright position. I do also then think... aside from gaining some speed and handling, it's no more modern etc than the zzr underneath the skin |
Which 9R did you look at? Was it a B model?
the C, E and F models destroy the ZZR in terms of being closer to modern handling, although the ZZR offers a fuel gauge, better dash, much more comfortable position. I can't talk for the B model, but as it's ZXR750 era, then I guess it's probably not modern feeling.
I'd avoid the 9R for soemthing similar to your ZZR. A lot of people tout the 9R as some sports tourer position, which is reasponable when you compare it to R6/R1, GSXR 1000 etc, but not the ZZR.
Honestly, I think you should be looking at large CC sports tourers, such as the blackbird that you mentioned, or VFR750/800 (heard vtec should be avoided though). |
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Posted: 18:50 - 19 Sep 2017 Post subject: |
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What's your budget?
When you say "at least as fast", do you mean:
Topping out at 150mph+
Accelerating between X mph and Y mph?
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Seems to me that your just bouncing around alot of ideas for bikes that you like the sound of irrespective of how or if they suit your brief/needs.
Firstly you gotta know what your plans are and what your going to be doing with it? So is regular commuting and touring definitely on the cards? Could you end up not doing any of these things and just want a fun or weekend bike?
Once decided forget jumping around all kinds of bike ideas you fancy, and draw up a list of must haves.
It sounds like you need to get a ZZR 600 replacement, but want something newer and possibly a bit faster or bigger cc?
How are you fixed for running costs? Big heavy but fast bikes are wallet eaters, so I'd really avoid big fast sports tourers like Blackbirds, Busa's and ZZR's unless you want to ride 100's of miles two up at 100mph+.
I'd also draw a line and say nothing more sporty in terms of riding position than a C/E model ZX9R. Whats the budget like, and do you want as modern and up to date as possible, or something old but comfy and good?
VFR's, ZX9R's Thunderaces, RF900's are all fairly cheap for a good condition bike. Newer stuff like BMW K1200's and Triumph 1050's are probably another few grand for a nice one.
What I don't think is any good to you or your requirements is any 600cc IL4, budget all around Street bikes like Fazer's, ER6's, Z750's etc, or funky nakeds like Street triples, KTM's etc.
And a Daytona 675R? Not for a daily bike that you want cover lots of touring miles on or much two up riding etc. |
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Posted: 23:16 - 19 Sep 2017 Post subject: |
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Which 9R did you look at? Was it a B model?
the C, E and F models destroy the ZZR in terms of being closer to modern handling, although the ZZR offers a fuel gauge, better dash, much more comfortable position. I can't talk for the B model, but as it's ZXR750 era, then I guess it's probably not modern feeling.
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it was a C1 model on a 98 plate. it was quite comfy, and ergonomically a bit more like the zzr. which obviously I'd find familiar and comfortable.
why avoid it? anything in particular? or just overkill.. or? ____________________ CBT - 17/09/12 * Theory - 23/10/12 * Mod1 - 05/03/13 * Mod2 - 25/03/13 * BOSH!
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stevo as b4 wrote: | Seems to me that your just bouncing around alot of ideas for bikes that you like the sound of irrespective of how or if they suit your brief/needs.
Firstly you gotta know what your plans are and what your going to be doing with it? So is regular commuting and touring definitely on the cards? Could you end up not doing any of these things and just want a fun or weekend bike?
Once decided forget jumping around all kinds of bike ideas you fancy, and draw up a list of must haves.
It sounds like you need to get a ZZR 600 replacement, but want something newer and possibly a bit faster or bigger cc?
How are you fixed for running costs? Big heavy but fast bikes are wallet eaters, so I'd really avoid big fast sports tourers like Blackbirds, Busa's and ZZR's unless you want to ride 100's of miles two up at 100mph+.
I'd also draw a line and say nothing more sporty in terms of riding position than a C/E model ZX9R. Whats the budget like, and do you want as modern and up to date as possible, or something old but comfy and good?
VFR's, ZX9R's Thunderaces, RF900's are all fairly cheap for a good condition bike. Newer stuff like BMW K1200's and Triumph 1050's are probably another few grand for a nice one.
What I don't think is any good to you or your requirements is any 600cc IL4, budget all around Street bikes like Fazer's, ER6's, Z750's etc, or funky nakeds like Street triples, KTM's etc.
And a Daytona 675R? Not for a daily bike that you want cover lots of touring miles on or much two up riding etc. |
yes I am bouncing ideas around. it won't be my only transport. and my commute is going to be 10-15 mins on quiet a-roads. (I start work at 6am). as it will be my only bike, however, I don't just want a boring hack. I want to look back at it in the car park. much like with women... if they don't grab my attention, I'm less inclined to want to get to know them
so must haves are being somewhere half way to comfortable. be at least as fast as a zzr600. and be fun to ride.
would likes... modern (so fuel injection, digital speedo, etc... granted I know some of the ones I listed don't have that). value/bang for buck. vaguely good fuel economy (I currently get poor economy from a 6cyl bmw when commuting anyway).
2-up not important. we have a little boy and another on the way in spring, so the mrs isn't coming on it, and only reason I'd need to give mates a lift is to pick up their bike from tyres or something. ____________________ CBT - 17/09/12 * Theory - 23/10/12 * Mod1 - 05/03/13 * Mod2 - 25/03/13 * BOSH!
Current - None but shed project H100 (first bike )
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There isn't one.... Fact.
Go up in CC's (and weight) or stay with hollow, gutless 600's. They CANT make them like that any more. Noise, emissions, cost, etc. etc. etc. Had them all through my hands, Yamahas, gutless. Hondas, smooth, revvy, gutless, Suzukis, fast, viby. Forget low CC Ducatis.
Kawasaki spent a lot getting that one into production, kept it going as long as they could get away with it. Nobody bought it because, Fireblade, R1, innit. The only engine that actually surprised me, the balls of something much larger, smooth, but with a solidity missing in anything else but the bigger 900's. A gem of a bike that was never given anything like the credit it was due. ____________________ The CBR900RR has been sold. Aprilia Falco worms its way into my heart.
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ocatoro wrote: | bluezedd wrote: |
Which 9R did you look at? Was it a B model?
the C, E and F models destroy the ZZR in terms of being closer to modern handling, although the ZZR offers a fuel gauge, better dash, much more comfortable position. I can't talk for the B model, but as it's ZXR750 era, then I guess it's probably not modern feeling.
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it was a C1 model on a 98 plate. it was quite comfy, and ergonomically a bit more like the zzr. which obviously I'd find familiar and comfortable.
why avoid it? anything in particular? or just overkill.. or? |
Ah right, the C models are good, and very similar to the E model, except a few relatively minor changes. The C models did have a bit of a reputation of eating gearboxes though. Not certain how genuine that was though, as so did the ZZR600, but I didn't have problems with mine.
Tbh the 9R isn't terribly uncomfy, it's just it's not as comfy a position as the ZZR (seat is a good bit harder, pegs are closer to the seat, a bit more of a reach down for the bars, tail higher up). So after a while it can get pretty uncomfy compared to the ZZR and equivalent bikes.
The 9R has a decent amount of power, along with being lighter than the ZZR600 (by roughly 20kg if I remember right) so will tick that box.
Tbh though, if you're considering a bike as uncomfy (and beautiful) as the ZX7R, then I'm sure the 9R would be fine if that's what you wanted. |
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jjdugen wrote: | There isn't one.... Fact.
Go up in CC's (and weight) or stay with hollow, gutless 600's. They CANT make them like that any more. Noise, emissions, cost, etc. etc. etc. |
This is really hitting the nail on the head, and I was going to tack something similar onto the back of my vfr800 suggestion but couldn't think of how to write it.
When my late 90s Fazer 600 is consistently quicker than an MT07, it gives an idea of the state of play of modern bikes. I owned a ZZR600 for a few months and it was a corker of a bike for the right situation, I've owned lots since then and the VFR is probably the best comparison, funnily enough I didn't enjoy either as a commuter much! ____________________ I am a bellend, I am a man of constant sorrow, I am a gummy bear, I am a rock. |
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K1200S slow! Where did you read that crap? Sub 3 seconds 0-60 thanks to the long and low chassis, sub 11 second 1/4 mile, 170+ top speed and a pretty impressive Nurburgring lap speed
Whilst not as fast as a ZZR1400 or ‘Busa, it’s still a very fast bike. I ran one for three years and it was definitely faster than a GSX-R750 or 954 Blade, and matched a GSX-R1000K3/K4 |
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