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| Val wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | I managed very nearly 10 minutes of Sharia May's vague rambling today and got a profound sense of the profundity with which she profounds every profoundundation.
But I'm still none the wiser as to what, if anything, she actually intends to do. It was just more vague generalities and goodfeels that informs nobody and achieves nothing.
She is a weak, spineless, flip-flopping blancmange of a person without the faintest idea how to conduct a negotiation. The sooner they do her in and put Davis in charge so that we can actually get on with implementing No Deal, the better Real Deal we'll achieve. |
Theresa May in La La La La La La Land.
Dancing with imaginary transition deal...in Florence.
Afterwards declares unilaterally complete success of the Brexit negotiations so far.
With a speech that has "a very little substance at all" - Nigel Farage.
I give that to May she finally has managed to unite 100% of the nation all remainers and all leavers including Farage behind one logical conclusion: the UK has a complete and utter cockwomble as PM. |
Help us out here Vallage.
One minute you're against Brexit, the next you're mocking Remoaners who are pretending to Brexit.
Make you're mind up chap.
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| Ste wrote: | They're terrible at statistics and number management. |
And on what basis do you say this? The fact that you think 1650 adults is necessarily non-representative along with your other claims about how sampling works doesn't incline me to take your word over theirs.
| ste wrote: | The respondents are screened with some questions so that yougov only get responses from people they're interested in. The only problem with that is the respondents know how to answer the questions, they know what answers result in them getting paid and they know which answers result in them being screened out.
It really is a con and as someone who provides answers for those surveys I know full well how little value should be placed on whatever result they come up with. When filling out surveys, the correct answer is the one you'll get paid for giving. People who don't catch onto that will get bored of being screened out of the surveys and will give up responding to them whilst the people who get the hang of giving the profitable answers will continue getting paid for telling yougov whatever it is they want to hear.
Trust me on this one, as someone who gets paid for answering those surveys, the results are completely meaningless.  |
Ahh, so your anecdote about how you fill in useless answers to these surveys means that all the other respondents must be equally useless? Is that your contention? By your response you don't seem to understand how sampling works. To be sampled in the first place for the survey you have to be part of the various demographics they are looking for, in proportion to the percentage of the population they comprise. It's getting to be sampled that results in rewards, not the answers given, not withstanding your post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning about the "right" answers to get rewards.
You have clearly figured out or already are part of a demographic they want, hence why you get repeatedly surveyed. That your answers are worthless is not in question, but you have given no good reason to doubt the sampling, weighting or data in any other respect.
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| Falco wrote: | | Ste wrote: | They're terrible at statistics and number management. |
And on what basis do you say this? The fact that you think 1650 adults is necessarily non-representative along with your other claims about how sampling works doesn't incline me to take your word over theirs.
| ste wrote: | The respondents are screened with some questions so that yougov only get responses from people they're interested in. The only problem with that is the respondents know how to answer the questions, they know what answers result in them getting paid and they know which answers result in them being screened out.
It really is a con and as someone who provides answers for those surveys I know full well how little value should be placed on whatever result they come up with. When filling out surveys, the correct answer is the one you'll get paid for giving. People who don't catch onto that will get bored of being screened out of the surveys and will give up responding to them whilst the people who get the hang of giving the profitable answers will continue getting paid for telling yougov whatever it is they want to hear.
Trust me on this one, as someone who gets paid for answering those surveys, the results are completely meaningless. |
Ahh, so your anecdote about how you fill in useless answers to these surveys means that all the other respondents must be equally useless? Is that your contention? By your response you don't seem to understand how sampling works. To be sampled in the first place for the survey you have to be part of the various demographics they are looking for, in proportion to the percentage of the population they comprise. It's getting to be sampled that results in rewards, not the answers given, not withstanding your post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning about the "right" answers to get rewards.
You have clearly figured out or already are part of a demographic they want, hence why you get repeatedly surveyed. That your answers are worthless is not in question, but you have given no good reason to doubt the sampling, weighting or data in any other respect. |
It was conducted by Blairs think tank on a Monday and Tuesday, when most of societies contributors were at work.
You're seeing the viewpoint of the cast of Jeremy Kyle.
HTH.
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| Falco wrote: | | Ste wrote: | They're terrible at statistics and number management. |
And on what basis do you say this? The fact that you think 1650 adults is necessarily non-representative along with your other claims about how sampling works doesn't incline me to take your word over theirs. |
I dislike their stats because I know how they come up with them.
I question whether surveying 1,650 people when the total electorate is 46,501,241 would give results that have any type of meaning. That's 0.0035482923993362% which in my opinion is a pretty small sample size.
| Falco wrote: | Ahh, so your anecdote about how you fill in useless answers to these surveys means that all the other respondents must be equally useless? |
If people answer the surveys honestly and as a result keep getting screened out then they're either going to give up since they're not getting paid to complete the surveys or they're going to start adjusting their answers in an attempt to give the answers that survey is wanting. yougov surveys want controversy and uncertainty.
| Falco wrote: | To be sampled in the first place for the survey you have to be part of the various demographics they are looking for, in proportion to the percentage of the population they comprise. It's getting to be sampled that results in rewards, not the answers given, not withstanding your post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning about the "right" answers to get rewards. |
Errrmmmm, to be sampled for the the survey you first have to answer a load of screening questions which are about whatever the topic of the survey is. If you don't give the right answers for those questions then you get screened out, don't get to complete the survey and don't get rewarded.
| Falco wrote: | You have clearly figured out or already are part of a demographic they want, hence why you get repeatedly surveyed. |
I get repeatedly surveyed because I'm a member of some survey sites.
| Falco wrote: | you have given no good reason to doubt the sampling, weighting or data in any other respect. |
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| Falco wrote: | So you have no idea about how statistical sampling, weighting or demographics work? Fair enough. |
I have a fair idea.
I know that the British Social Attitudes survey do it right, by selecting a representative group of people and then doggedly and persistently seeking their opinions, and only their opinions, even when they're reluctant to give them.
Most pollsters do it the lazy way by randomly soliciting responses and then stopping after finding ~1000 people who are available and willing to demand more free stuff.
However, I had no idea that YouGov had gone beyond that to actively choosing the result based on pre-screening respondent to ensure that they provide the correct - i.e. the marketable - answer.
I can see why a Tory would come up with that methodology - trolling is profitable.
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As many have said, May is stalling and has no real appetite for the Brexit I voted for.
With regards to Boris lying, I presume you've fallen for the £350m trap?
If you look at his wording he says "take back control of £350M". This is fairly accurate and includes some of the rebate which the EU tell us what we have to spend it on.
I get a feeling he's done this as a political trap to catch out anti Brexit politicians.
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Books - many books - will be written about the hash that Appeaser Theresa is making of Brexit. Or the success of Remoan, depending on how you view her goals.
On the face of it, and based on the leaked Disaster Dinner, it seems that she thought she could just get Drunkers liquored up, have a laugh about how they were going to fleece the electorate with an in-name-only-Brexit, and that would be that.
What she has failed to take into account is that the EU mandarins are zealots who cannot stomach anything other than humiliation and penury for Britain daring to (pretend to) leave the Fourth Reich. This isn't a negotiation, it's a public beating.
What she should have done (if Brexit and a good deal were her goal) was to just steam ahead with preparations for a No Deal exit, then wait for Jeanny Brusselscrat to come begging for a deal on our terms.
But as an ex banker (urgh), May has no idea of the value of money, or of human nature. I doubt that she's even haggled over the price of a car, let alone the future of a nation state.
She must go. Only Hammond would be worse. Even Rudd would just be more of the same, with at least some chance to do better.
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