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It won't matter, they will still sell like hotcakes.
Anyway, its an anti BMW conspiracy. Triumph are sabotaging them.
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One would assume, that BMW already mastered this type of swingarm, after decades of using it. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Howling Terror |
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By jove, BMW have a run of bad luck haven't they. The early S1000RR engine going pop, the flaking paint on the engine cases and recalls on the GS for a steering bearing that could fail, now this. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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Posted: 18:32 - 12 Oct 2017 Post subject: |
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Has it actually killed anyone this time?
Kevin Ash ____________________ NSR125RR - ZXR750H1 - ZX9R E1 - GSF600S - GSF600SK3 - VFR400-NC30 - SV1000N - ST1100-R - CBR900RR-R - GSF1200SK5 - GSF600SK1 - VFR1200FA - GSXR1000K2 - ZZR1400 D8F
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Howling Terror |
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5 recalls in 5 weeks so says an American bike journo.
He made some points that some of those 'recalls' were for things like reflectors not fitted on panniers and the incorrect wheel size that is stamped into the wheel at manufacture.
He went on to say that out of all the makers BMW are the 'most' supportive and proactive out of the lot of 'em.
Honda flat refused that there was an issue with rusting spokes on the new Africa Twin then subtly upgraded the spokes later on.
Ducati did the same thing with the flaking rocker cams in the 748. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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Howling Terror wrote: | He went on to say that out of all the makers BMW are the 'most' supportive and proactive out of the lot of 'em. |
Sure, when they're eventually forced to admit that there's a problem, they issue yet another recall.
Howling Terror wrote: | Honda flat refused that there was an issue with rusting spokes on the new Africa Twin then subtly upgraded the spokes later on.
Ducati did the same thing with the flaking rocker cams in the 748. |
BMW to this day deny that there was a head shake problem on the first water cooled GS model that killed Kevin Ash, and which was reported by several survivors of it.
Yet they installed a steering damper the next year, for no reason. No reason at all.
Flaking sump and engine paint? No, no, sir, that's owner abuse, that is. Oh, it happens on every single bike? Well, then every single owner must be abusing them. We carefully vet potential owners to ensure it, that must be it.
They prop up the bottom of Murcan reliability charts. We don't have enough bike sales here to even have those, but I wouldn't expect anything different. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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^^^Then there's Yamaha Flagship R1 in 2015, where they recalled every single one sold to replace the gearbox after a number of failures. Fair play.
So it begs the question, would I buy a bike from a manufacturer with a better reliability rating compared to the others?
No I wouldn't. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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^^^But that's the main thing. Don't be put off by the maker or the bike, just find the right model in the right year. The current S1000RR is spot on. A GS from 20?? will be a reliable (heavy) tourer.
MV F800. Wouldn't touch a 1st gen. Would strongly consider a newer one. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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Consumer surveys for cars expose the pups, and people do buy based on reliability (I just bought a Hyundai, gonnae no nuke Korea). Manufacturers have to improve or wither.
We don't have the same luxury with bikes. Absent MCN's occasional surveys (are they still doing them?) it's all anecdotes, and heart-over-head.
And with many new bikes being rented rather than owned, it becomes even less of an issue since ultimately you could just cancel the direct debit and invite the finance company to take possession of their broken BMW bike. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 215 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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