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Posted: 18:05 - 16 Oct 2017 Post subject: |
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The best I've seen so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TrvXwoGKKU
Why this isn't a common feature of all motorcycles? Reliability, safety concerns, not really an improvement?
Edit: Oh, and we did all this, why 2WD bikes blah blah, about 5 years ago ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
'95 Mercedes-Benz w202 C200 CGI, '98 Mercedes-Benz w210 E200 Kompressor
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Please show us a picture of the motorcycle that you say that you have, with a tin of custard or a packet of fish fingers on it.
Until then, I call sock. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Posted: 20:14 - 16 Oct 2017 Post subject: |
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Speaking of a few years ago...
The Christini bikes/conversions make a lot of sense to me...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lBcAp6Wp5k
Can make a big difference for non-pros it seems - getting you over/through obstacles that you'd need a lot more skill to do so on other bikes. |
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this was the one off pawn stars....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBYIvnAjhqs ____________________ PCX125 (stolen) - CBF600 (current)
Ride it like you stole it.
ride sensible and not like an idiot and you wont get 6 points in one week. |
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I would actually like traction control. I know, right wrist, only foggits need, and so on, but try chopping and changing between bikes with widely differing amounts of torque and see if you never, ever get caught out just for a moment by forgetting how enthusiastic you can afford to be in the wet. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Rogerborg wrote: | I would actually like traction control. I know, right wrist, only foggits need, and so on, but try chopping and changing between bikes with widely differing amounts of torque and see if you never, ever get caught out just for a moment by forgetting how enthusiastic you can afford to be in the wet. |
Moto GP riders can't do even a single lap without TCS. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Rogerborg wrote: | I would actually like traction control. I know, right wrist, only foggits need, and so on, but try chopping and changing between bikes with widely differing amounts of torque and see if you never, ever get caught out just for a moment by forgetting how enthusiastic you can afford to be in the wet. |
Now on my second bike with traction control and I can quite categorically state that in my limited experience of riding with it, it will do very little to stop you from binning it. Out last weekend on my local Aberdeenshire roads on the V-Strom in varying conditions: wet, dry, damp, cow shit, sheep shit - typical Scottish. On a damp patch of road, on a right hand bend at a moderate lean angle and neutral throttle I felt the front end twitch and immediately the rear end started to slide out. Like most of these things it happens when you least expect it and it's certainly beyond my reactions to claim that I had any input in the rear tyre finding grip and avoiding the spill. This is the closest I've come to sliding off a road bike in 30 odd years - done it a lot in my youth and learned to stay on. The point is, the traction control didn't activate and do what it was supposed to. I don't imagine it's exactly motogp spec on the Suzuki but in my mind it's more a sales gimmick than a real safety aid.
The T120's TC was just as pathetic - I took it on a fire road and induced a slide on a bend and had taken control of the slide way before the TC engaged.
What it does appear to be good for is being a real killjoy - any sign of the front wheel coming up it cuts the power
Maybe on 200bhp sports bikes ridden by 60bhp riders it's got a use but I'm unconvinced about it's merits and certainly don't rely on it. |
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Howling Terror wrote: | Ok so the British superbikers may have less power but they're managing not to spit themselves off every corner exit and they haven't got TC. (IIRC they do have electronically controlled engine braking systems). |
I was a bit exaggerating. What I meant was, they are too depended on a fully functional TCS. Look at how agressive they are with the throttle and the jerkines of the Moto GP bikes, compared to much smoother WSBK motorcycles. Also, we all saw one of the Repsol Honda motorcycles to highside after a minor contact with other rider, which resulted in ripped cable to the rear wheel speed sensor. The first corner after that and the rider, Pedrosa iirc, went down.
I'm not saying TCS is bad, it sure makes motorcycles safer, but at the same time people shouldn't be too dependent on it. The same goes for the ABS. Just like you should never use the throttle as an ON/OFF switch, you should also avoid grabing the front brake lever.
These active safety features are supposed to be the last resort, not something to improve your riding. The same should apply to cars as well. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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I high-sided my scooter with a whole 25hp or so, coming out of a junction, applying throttle as I straightened up out of the lean. I applied the throttle fairly smoothly, I reckoned at the time, but it's not like you can really be very violent with that level of power combined with CVT and an already-engaged clutch.
I was turning right, across the road, and the rear of the bike dramatically slid out to the left, my steering hit full lock left to try and stay in line, then the rear found traction again and it slapped over hard. I mangled my ankle lightly, but nothing much more.
Examining the road carefully in the aftermath of the incident, the tarmac was worn, and I can only conjecture that a stretch of bald wet tar had significantly lower traction than the rest of the road surface, and I was unlucky that the rear found it.
Another risk factor is dribbles of diesel on roundabout exits near petrol stations. Those can catch you out even when it's dry, there's one I've slipped a little bit on the Brutale a couple of times in the same spot - not applying a big handful of throttle, just enough where it steps out when combined with lean. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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The best example of 2WD motorcycle being useful (not in the sense of what URAL does): https://youtu.be/si-bI84SZKA?t=32s
I also like there is a on/off switch for the 2WD mode, makes a lot of sense on a enduro. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 186 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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