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Chalky. wrote: | You don't want to be governed by those bastards in Brussels. You don't like them because they're not democratic enough, too corrupt, and shouldn't have a say in your existence, blah blah blah.
But are they any worse than our home grown politician ball bags? |
Yes. Yes, they are.
My Westminster vote has in principle a small chance of influencing the makeup of the government. It's a very, very small chance indeed given my constituency, but the question you posed is one of degree, and it still trumps my influence in Brussels.
Critically, I can run for parliament myself and try and do a better job. Super-critically, if I got in, I could personally initiate legislation, with no more qualification than the approbation of the proles.
When it comes to Brussels, my votes count for far, far less. 27/28ths of the Commission, the body that actually matters, are completely outwith my influence. The remaining 1/28th is an appointed, not elected, apparatchik. If I wanted to initiate legislation, I'd first have to climb the greasy pole of party politics and then nosh off Theresa May to get the job.
I can vote for an MEP, but the EU "parliament" is farcical democracy theatre. Unlike Westminster MPs, no MEP can initiate legislation. It all comes from the Commission. This is a critical distinction, and reduces the "parliament" to a rubber-stamping body who can only say no until they say yes.
So in terms of degree, Brussels is worse than Westminster.
And here's the thing: it's in addition to Westminster. Oh, and Holyrood for me. And my local Council who are (nearly) as corrupt as they come (outside of Tower Hamlets).
Four snouts in the trough are not better than three. Or two, one, or none.
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Rogerborg wrote: | Chalky. wrote: | You don't want to be governed by those bastards in Brussels. You don't like them because they're not democratic enough, too corrupt, and shouldn't have a say in your existence, blah blah blah.
But are they any worse than our home grown politician ball bags? |
Yes. Yes, they are.
My Westminster vote has in principle a small chance of influencing the makeup of the government. It's a very, very small chance indeed given my constituency, but the question you posed is one of degree, and it still trumps my influence in Brussels.
Critically, I can run for parliament myself and try and do a better job. Super-critically, if I got in, I could personally initiate legislation, with no more qualification than the approbation of the proles.
When it comes to Brussels, my votes count for far, far less. 27/28ths of the Commission, the body that actually matters, are completely outwith my influence. The remaining 1/28th is an appointed, not elected, apparatchik. If I wanted to initiate legislation, I'd first have to climb the greasy pole of party politics and then nosh off Theresa May to get the job.
I can vote for an MEP, but the EU "parliament" is farcical democracy theatre. Unlike Westminster MPs, no MEP can initiate legislation. It all comes from the Commission. This is a critical distinction, and reduces the "parliament" to a rubber-stamping body who can only say no until they say yes.
So in terms of degree, Brussels is worse than Westminster.
And here's the thing: it's in addition to Westminster. Oh, and Holyrood for me. And my local Council who are (nearly) as corrupt as they come (outside of Tower Hamlets).
Four snouts in the trough are not better than three. Or two, one, or none.
The less government we have, the happier I'll be. |
So we've got fuck all influence in real terms, but you're prepared to pay a significant sum to have a little bit less fuck all influence? |
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So with regards to the single market, why wouldn't this work then?
As we're a net EU importer, we will take more in tariffs from EU companies importing to the UK, than UK companies will pay exporting to the EU.
OK, so if we put the import tariffs into a government fund and used this fund to pay export tariffs to the EU for companies, owned by and operated from the UK, these companies would be no worse off than if they were in the single market. In fact, they would have a competitive edge on their EU rivals.
The fund would also generate a small profit on the tariff surplus due to the UK's trade deficit with the EU, so this could be used to fund the scheme. Think of it like a reverse VAT charge.
So, why would this not work all the time we import more than we export with the EU? ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Chalky. wrote: |
So we've got fuck all influence in real terms, but you're prepared to pay a significant sum to have a little bit less fuck all influence? |
Sum for what Adam? stuff we would have to be pay for like Visa's ourselves,EHIC, customs co-op, the EEA contributors of the single market do not pay in to the main EU budget and thus, don't pay a massive fee like do currently, this pay no say bollocks was debunked ages ago, we've got bugger all say over the Euro zone , Alot of the Eu reg's that are now made, are copy and pasted from UNECE and ISO, the EU even copy and pasted abit on Glyphosate straight from Monsanto's papers --https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/sep/15/eu-report-on-weedkiller-safety-copied-text-from-monsanto-study
Independent policy making in the areas of trade, aid, agriculture, fisheries, home & justice, defense & foreign affairs = more sovereignty, the only way you get a better crop of politicians, is by forcing them to know their brief, of which while they farm everything out to the Eu, they needn't bother. ____________________ '00 Aprilia RS50 > '92 Honda CG > '99 Yamaha Fazer > '91 Yamaha RXS > '79 Suzuki X5 > 01' Honda Cg > 07' Honda Cg > 82' Kawasaki Z200 > suzuki gsxr 400 gk73a > honda vfr 400 NC30> Yamaha RD350 YPVS F2 > Kawasaki ZZR 600 D1 > Yamaha TZR 250 2MA >Suzuki TL1000R > Yamaha TDR250 > Honda 929 blade > Suzuki SV1000 > Honda H100
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mpd72 wrote: | So with regards to the single market, why wouldn't this work then?
As we're a net EU importer, we will take more in tariffs from EU companies importing to the UK, than UK companies will pay exporting to the EU.
OK, so if we put the import tariffs into a government fund and used this fund to pay export tariffs to the EU for companies, owned by and operated from the UK, these companies would be no worse off than if they were in the single market. In fact, they would have a competitive edge on their EU rivals.
The fund would also generate a small profit on the tariff surplus due to the UK's trade deficit with the EU, so this could be used to fund the scheme. Think of it like a reverse VAT charge.
So, why would this not work all the time we import more than we export with the EU? |
Single market has sweet FA to do with Tariffs, Norway is in the Single market and it has tarrifs on EU agri goods going in to it's country.
Why you're obsessed wit the government taking in more revenue idk, this won't pay for the shoppers extra tariffs ____________________ '00 Aprilia RS50 > '92 Honda CG > '99 Yamaha Fazer > '91 Yamaha RXS > '79 Suzuki X5 > 01' Honda Cg > 07' Honda Cg > 82' Kawasaki Z200 > suzuki gsxr 400 gk73a > honda vfr 400 NC30> Yamaha RD350 YPVS F2 > Kawasaki ZZR 600 D1 > Yamaha TZR 250 2MA >Suzuki TL1000R > Yamaha TDR250 > Honda 929 blade > Suzuki SV1000 > Honda H100
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Chalky. wrote: | So we've got fuck all influence in real terms, but you're prepared to pay a significant sum to have a little bit less fuck all influence? |
I have no say in whether we pay to escape, or how much.
Ouch, stabbed with your own point.
Oh, if you're going to parrot the Project Fear squawking points again about how Brexit will mean instant, inevitable and eternal perjury, I think we've heard them quite enough. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Is this where we 'take back control™'? ____________________ Mpd72: I can categorically say i’m Brighter than that, no matter how I come across on here.
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Rogerborg wrote: | Chalky. wrote: | So we've got fuck all influence in real terms, but you're prepared to pay a significant sum to have a little bit less fuck all influence? |
I have no say in whether we pay to escape, or how much.
Ouch, stabbed with your own point.
Oh, if you're going to parrot the Project Fear squawking points again about how Brexit will mean instant, inevitable and eternal perjury, I think we've heard them quite enough. |
Depends what it is, if its a no deal fuck up, we're doomed, but a 'deal' can be made and a different relationship created where we get what we want with the compromises sovereignty involve
If we no deal, we'd just end up with Corbyn and either no brexit, or an associate member relationship which would probably restrict most things we do ____________________ '00 Aprilia RS50 > '92 Honda CG > '99 Yamaha Fazer > '91 Yamaha RXS > '79 Suzuki X5 > 01' Honda Cg > 07' Honda Cg > 82' Kawasaki Z200 > suzuki gsxr 400 gk73a > honda vfr 400 NC30> Yamaha RD350 YPVS F2 > Kawasaki ZZR 600 D1 > Yamaha TZR 250 2MA >Suzuki TL1000R > Yamaha TDR250 > Honda 929 blade > Suzuki SV1000 > Honda H100
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mpd72 wrote: | So with regards to the single market, why wouldn't this work then?
As we're a net EU importer, we will take more in tariffs from EU companies importing to the UK, than UK companies will pay exporting to the EU.
OK, so if we put the import tariffs into a government fund and used this fund to pay export tariffs to the EU for companies, owned by and operated from the UK, these companies would be no worse off than if they were in the single market. In fact, they would have a competitive edge on their EU rivals.
The fund would also generate a small profit on the tariff surplus due to the UK's trade deficit with the EU, so this could be used to fund the scheme. Think of it like a reverse VAT charge.
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Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | And taking jobs from people who actually could be capable of doing the role, whilst simultaneously corrupting the parliamentary process for financial gain? |
Wut?
No politicians, no problems.
Fewer is better.
I won't miss our MEPs, or worry about how they pay the mortgage. Nor our commissioner and its staff, nor anyone who was making their living out of the EU swill trough. Oooh, all those propaganda-quangos having their funding dry up.
Better that they're on the dole than being paid more for actively thinking up ways to prohibit and punish. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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