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Pegaso 650....oh no wait, that's fucked. ____________________ Current bikes: '08 VFR 800 VTEC(yo) , '07 ZZR1400 Winter hack: '95 Aprilia 650 Pegaso Currently lusting after: RC30 |
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I'd agree with those who say just keep one well maintained bike, if you're not in a financially strong position. Jap IL4s have always proved to be very reliable when treated well in my experience, and it's one reason I've stuck fairly faithfully with them, apart from a very few exceptions.
This argument about sports or upright is a bit silly imo. It will depend on what an individual likes, what he's comfortable on. But that's obvious to everyone here, isn't it? One man's pleasure and all that. The OP is likely to dismiss more than half of any recommendations made here for that reason. Just go through the list of bikes you like and can afford, and do some research on any common faults. Obviously discard those that are known for reliability problems. Then buy as good condition an example of what you decide on as you can afford. Look after it, and it should look after you. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Counterpoint: utter rot I miss Bendy[*].
It's ridiculously uncomfortable compared to any upright bike.
You made excuses for it because racebike, and then you got used to it, and now you're defending that bad decision in order to validate your suffering.
The tumbling sales of leany-forwards bikes compared to uprights illustrates that fewer and fewer people are falling for the Emperor's New Riding Position.
If they were really "ergonomically good" and "supremely comfortable" then why are bike manufacturers going to uprights? Is it because they hate money and want to lose sales?
[*] Not really. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I thought the Scottish were supposed to have a backbone?
I suppose you do need some Ab-muscle too, rather than munchie-box-belly .
So, what did find uncomfortable about the CBR600F again?
Cigarettes are pretty universally known to be a bad thing - they still sell pretty well. Not that I'm suggesting naked bikes give you cancer, but....
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I suppose you do need some Ab-muscle too, rather than munchie-box-belly .
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But if you're fat and leaned forward on a sports bike, can't you just rest all that belly on the tank and take the weight from your arms? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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G wrote: | So, what did find uncomfortable about the CBR600F again? |
The pointlessly high (for road use) pegs and the pointlessly low (for road use) bars, resulting in being both scrunched up and uncomfortably extended compared to bikes designed by someone who has seen an actual human.
It's tolerable, is the best I can say of it. And yes there are worse bikes, but less bad is not good.
Getting back on the Nazi Tractor was such a stark contrast and a huge, visceral relief.
If someone came to you and asked why they should actively choose a pegs-up-bars-down position for stop-start road use, what positive arguments would you make in its favour? ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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G wrote: | I would guess because impact from bumps isn't pushed directly up the spine, your body acting as a bit of extra 'suspension'. |
If impact isn't pushed directly up the spine, which part of the body is acting as extra suspension? The legs? So they're in an already relatively cramped position, and now they're expected to take impact from bumps too?
Or maybe the arms? Which are already taking more weight due to the leaning forwards position? (unless you're fat ).
Or are you gripping the tank with your knees? So your legs have to be tensed all the time?
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chickenstrip wrote: | If impact isn't pushed directly up the spine, which part of the body is acting as extra suspension? The legs? So they're in an already relatively cramped position, and now they're expected to take impact from bumps too?
Or maybe the arms? Which are already taking more weight due to the leaning forwards position? (unless you're fat ).
Or are you gripping the tank with your knees? So your legs have to be tensed all the time?
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I think it's more to do with the direction of the bump force through the spine.
Sat upright, a bump force goes straight up through the spine, putting all vertebrae and discs in compression.
Leant forwards it puts the bump force through the spine at more of angle, where the bending motion of the spine can dissipate the energy in a humanly organic movement.
Plus, as you say, being leant forwards distributes more weight onto the hands/arms wrists, so X newtons of bump force is divided between 3 contact points (2 arms and a bum) more equally. ____________________ The mistresses: 2000 Honda CBR600f, 2000 Honda VTR1000 |
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As haroman666 suggests ...
Instead of the impact going directly up your back, not only is it off on a vector*, but your body can 'hinge' around your abs, working kinda like a swingarm absorbs bumps.
(*If you were laying completely flat on the bike, you would get no impact up your spine as the force would be at 90 degrees to the joints - of course we're not talking all the way lent over unless you're really going for laptimes!)
That's all just conjecture to explain my anecdotal evidence, of course.
Strengthen back.
Use back to to reduce forces on other areas.
So perhaps it depends if said human's typical exercise consists of adjusting the height of an office chair .
OI should note that from the way I've always had less issues riding minimotos than others - I probably am naturally more flexible than some. |
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G wrote: | but your body can 'hinge' around your abs, working kinda like a swingarm absorbs bumps. |
G, you're so full of shit, it's probably that that's taking all those impacts ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Injuries aside I'll add that having good core strength, strong legs and general flexibility has made riding the MV acceptable. Stick on a packed tankbag and it's acceptable for riding all day. On long boring roads I rest my chin on it, through town I rest my abdomen on it (I refuse to admit I'm getting a belly).
Also of the belief that sitting bolt upright comes with its own drawbacks..again no scientific info to back up but did get more hip cramps on the 250 commuter and I've freaked out a few pillions when I've had to stand up because of hip cramps on the ST2. Guessing my arse in their face constitutes as a freak-out situation.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 167 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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