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I do use the clutch 95% of the time. 5% of the time I'm actually having fun in the middle of nowhere and shift gears up without the clutch, then blipping the throttle on downshifts and quite push my luck. Regardless of the motorcycle, I must add.
If done correctly, there is no harm to the actual gearbox, on the upshifts at least. If you have a quick shifter, then you have to be certain it's adjusted correctly. My neighbor had the delay time off and ruined a gearbox in about a year of riding. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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I do clutchless upshifts when I'm not trying to get a pace on, but suspect I'm barely using the clutch on upshifts when giving it some welly a fair bit too, as the dab on the lever seems really quick sometimes.
I can do clutchless downshifts, but usually don't, as I find it a little trickier to get it just nice. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Clutchless upshifts and clutched down.....although I do have a quickshifter. ____________________ YBR125 (SOLD) - CBR250R(SOLD) - CBR650F(SOLD) Current - Street Triple
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No.. is the short answer... I prefer to keep the corners on the dogs in the box, and save replacing cush-drives, whilst I am more concerned on the public road, to avoid myopic SMIDSYs, pot holes, cow-slurry and whatever has fallen off the back of a skip-truck in the middle of a bend, than I am saving tenths of a second per... oh, yeah, no 'laps' on a public road, or your riding round in circles! Why on earth would I want to do that? Even on a closed circuit with one-way traffic, St Johns on stand-by, and no GATSO! ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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Teflon-Mike wrote: | No.. is the short answer... I prefer to keep the corners on the dogs in the box, and save replacing cush-drives, whilst I am more concerned on the public road, to avoid myopic SMIDSYs, pot holes, cow-slurry and whatever has fallen off the back of a skip-truck in the middle of a bend, than I am saving tenths of a second per... oh, yeah, no 'laps' on a public road, or your riding round in circles! Why on earth would I want to do that? Even on a closed circuit with one-way traffic, St Johns on stand-by, and no GATSO! |
As above.
I can't think of an instance in 40 years on the road where clutchless shifts would have made any difference to anything. Ignored the clutch much of the time when shifting gear when riding enduros but that's about it. |
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Mine is entirely dependent on my mood and the situation. In general terms, I tend to do clutchless upshifts more often than not (although, like Paddy, not through first to second). Downshifts I tend to use the clutch unless I am really pootling along at lowish revs.
I am also very preciouse about the corners of my dogs and deploy a strategy known as "mechanical sympathy" to protect them. A gearbox doesn't know nor care how the load gets removed to aid a shift - whether through opening the clutch or having a neutral throttle input, unloaded is unloaded. My caveat to this is on downshifts: with an upshift you can unload the gearbox by rolling off the throttle (or interrupting the ignition, whatever). However on a downshift you are often on a closed throttle already and the engine is driving through the wheels (so-call "back torque" or engine braking). This is a load through the gearbox which you can only remove by opening the clutch or rolling on the throttle a touch. The clutchless downshifts I do tend to be if I am bimbling at 30 mph in, say, 4th and want 3rd for a touch more "responsiveness", I'll set the throttle so the gearbox is unloaded and snick it down a gear. All with my left hand casually resting on my thigh or across the tank, y'know, so people watching can see I just did a clutchless downshift.
And all of this is done whilst simultaneously avoiding myopic SMIDSYs, pot holes, cow-slurry and whatever has fallen off the back of a skip-truck in the middle of a bend. I know, right?! ____________________
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Its sometimes useful if your hands and wrists are knackered, but other than that it is something you'll do naturally once you work out where the 'sweet spot' is in the rev range.
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rpsmith79 wrote: | As a new biker reading this thread, what is the benefit of clutchless shifting? |
I came to start doing clutchless upshifts because of a dodgy left arm, smashed up in a bike accident years ago. On a long trip, the arm can get quite fatigued, so where it's safe to do so, I'll take my left hand off the bars to rest the arm a bit. That's when I started doing clutchless upshifts.
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Only when I want to shave a 1/10th of a second off my commute. ____________________ Chances are quite high you are not in my Monkeysphere, and I don't care about you. Don't take it personally.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 182 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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