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https://zippy.gfycat.com/BasicPaleGavial.gif
Lots of that showing up on my meter.
As above, find a 17/18 year old with 50k+
At 18 I had access to about 4k which is 1000cc territory. I'd be dead by now if I bought one at that age. |
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Go back to the decent days of learning -
16 - Moped
17 - 250cc on L plates
17 - Stick a sidecar on and ride any cc on L plates.
17 - Pass your test and ride anything.
It worked for me, YDS7, RD250 then GT500 all in my 17th year. I never died. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Polarbear wrote: | Go back to the decent days of learning -
16 - Moped
17 - 250cc on L plates
17 - Stick a sidecar on and ride any cc on L plates.
17 - Pass your test and ride anything.
It worked for me, YDS7, RD250 then GT500 all in my 17th year. I never died. |
A few of the older guys I've known done this. Most of them just saying they had a 250cc on L plates. If they managed to survive them then I'm sure this generation can.
Don't right off the newer 125cc bikes OP they are great! I know you probably don't care but they have some of the best MPG figures compared to any vehicle on the roads today.
Only thing I'll add is that they should ban 50cc peds from the roads. They are a joke and its often dangerous when you see them plodding along at 28mph on a 70mph road. ____________________ Bikes: Previous Bikes: Piaggio x8 125: 2012/2013, YBR 125: 2013/2013 BMW R1150GS 2013/2017, Honda CBR600RR 2017/2017, Honda CB500 2018/2018, Suzuiki Address 110cc 2019/2020, BMW R1200GS 2021-2023
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adam277 wrote: | Polarbear wrote: | Go back to the decent days of learning -
16 - Moped
17 - 250cc on L plates
17 - Stick a sidecar on and ride any cc on L plates.
17 - Pass your test and ride anything.
It worked for me, YDS7, RD250 then GT500 all in my 17th year. I never died. |
A few of the older guys I've known done this. Most of them just saying they had a 250cc on L plates. If they managed to survive them then I'm sure this generation can.
Don't right off the newer 125cc bikes OP they are great! I know you probably don't care but they have some of the best MPG figures compared to any vehicle on the roads today.
Only thing I'll add is that they should ban 50cc peds from the roads. They are a joke and its often dangerous when you see them plodding along at 28mph on a 70mph road. |
I'm not, people should have the choice to ride them, but it should be exactly that; a choice. I'm going to choose to ride a 125cc on L plates, but in my opinion should have the option of a 250cc before taking my test. As you point out, sensible riders survived in the old days, why can't today's youth.
As to the other point often raised in here so far, cba to quote, the bad moves by sixteen and seventeen year olds on peds and 125s are often down to lack of experience, starting them younger should negate that experience. |
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Upgrade through experience would be better than any of this nonsence. That would mean you can't have any old idiot jumping on any bike they want just because they are past a certain age. Do so many miles/hours with an instructor if you are seem as capable then you are able to upgrade. ____________________ CB125>CG125>GN125>ER5>K100RS>R1100RS>K100RS
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This question from some-one who hasn't even done CBT yet, is rather like, the patient trying to set the hospital procedures for the surgeon...
Personally, though. opinion on the topic, offered many times before; whenever a learner grumbles about the tests they have to do from a feeling of being dis-privileged by what we got....
1/ Do away with CBT and unsupervised L-Plating
If a couple of hours wobbling round the cones and a couple more dodging Sunday Drivers on the roads is deemed sufficient for any-one to 'qualify' to ride a light-weight motorcycle, unsupervised; put a 'test' at the end of it, dole out A1's if they pass and be done.
Personally I don't think it is, and stats support that, but with the CBT expanded some and a realistic test on the end, it could be enough for an A1 licence.
2/ Do away with DAS, and DAS ages.
Make the tiered licence system properly progressive as was intended.
Eg:
Step 1; Do super-CBT & end test, get a A1
Step 2; Do conventional DAS course & End test, get A2
Step 3; Do AIM/Rospa style 'Advance Rider' Course,& end test, get a RWYL 'A'.
If a 17 year old has the time, money, deturmnation & ablity to go through all that before they are 18, all power to'em!
If they can then get insurance on a Fire-Busa, and avoid loosing hard won licence under NDA, fair play I say!
Some-one that has the deturmination to do that much work, that quick, deserves the licence, and likely if they are that seriouse about the job, and with that investment of time and money it, are a darn site more likely to respect it and be a bit more sesible than Mr Mid-Life Crisis Man with the Mortgate nie on paid off, and the company car to get to work and do the shopping, who can do a course in a week, and buy a 200mph 'toy' for the week-end instead of a new set of golf clubs!
As to moped laws and the old days of 17 year olds on 250's and perpetual L-Plates?!?!
The 1982 125 Learner-Laws were an ass when they were invented, and pushed through against so much opinion advice and evidence against them, it is incredible, but the Hi-Po 250's and accident stats showed just how ridiculous the licence laws had become 'something' had to be done, and the only wonder IS give that motorcycles after two decades of increase, still represent barely 1% of UK road transport, and over half are not regular essential transport but leisure impediments, it's incredible that they have not simply banned bikes outright... it would have less political impact than banning Golf! And almost certainly not get the attention or backlash that banning fox hunting did!
The population of the UK has increased around 25% since the 250 Learner-Laws were in force. Car ownership has more than doubled. Average road traffic miles has increased probably three fold.
Meanwhile the nanny state has eroded an awful lot of old fashioned ideas of personal responsibility, and where-there's-blaim-there's-a-claim $-Lawyers much of what's left.
Idea that you might let a 17 year old, on the road, with no training, no qualification on a 250c motorcycle, that potentially could have 70bhp and 140mph performance, still outside the parameters of any modern licence but the full unrestricted 'A', as standard show room models actually had in the early to mid 1990's, is incredible.
Reversion to pre '82 learner laws in our current culture would almost certainly result in the stats ramping to provide the evidence to cause the the ban-hammer dropping, very quickly indeed.
Before asking why not, first ask why so. What we have is flawed, but its probably less flawed than the alternatives could be!!
But hey, what do I know after 40 years riding, competing, commuting and apparently only ever making the tea for instructors, and merely imagining I rode over cars or took class wins in observed section trials.. lets ask the guy without a licence.. he m-u-s-t have all the answers..... ____________________ My Webby'Tef's-tQ, loads of stuff about my bikes, my Land-Rovers, and the stuff I do with them!
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I want one of these road legal 70bhp 250's Teffers is flapping on about ____________________ Be a REAL MAN! |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 6 years, 152 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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